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Why dont anyone use Forgotten Snowgirl set ? The bonus goes

2 Piece - 7.5 crit for both melee and magical attack
4 Piece - 5 hp and mp recovery
6 Piece - 15% increase in magical attack

15% inc = 45 % crit chance for magic attacks ( if you want to look at it from this view ) or equivalent to 500 strg bonus ( meaning its better than 9d,8d,7d strg eq 2piece each + set bonus card since FS set give passive 7.5 crit , hp/mp recovery, better def and of course much better stats in term of vit/int )

I would agree if it is meant for soloing then Ancient White Dragon is pretty ideal. If not, is there any special reason that people choose AWD for yuki than this? Is the 4.0% Life leech that significant when a healer get massive with the new rebirth beads already or what I'm led to believe than because AWD is much more common ? I'm curious, any inputs here.
 
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That's not even close to the 500 str bonus. 500 str gives +30% damage in addition to the 167~167ish damage Most yukis would get around ~8% damage boost from str with forgotten, which would still keep them 7% short of the 500 str boost. Also, AEH gives the same 15% boost.
You're missing the "every 5 seconds" on the 5hp/mp regen. It's really 1hp/mp per second, which is useless. Compare that to the 7mp/sec from AEH.
The 7.5% crit chance isn't bad. But the AEH 50% damage boost from using ice queen is much better imo. Plus it's so easy to use it in a combo.

AEH > forgotten snow girl, and it's much easier to get/fort.
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Just get the 2-pc FSG set for the Crit bonus...the stats aren't all that great though and with regards to AEH, you can always switch the 2-pc in and out every 5 minutes because you're just going to cancel Ice Queen anyways.
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You would need 6pc AEH for the 15% damage boost

15% damage > 7.5% crit
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You're missing the "every 5 seconds" on the 5hp/mp regen. It's really 1hp/mp per second, which is useless. Compare that to the 7mp/sec from AEH.
You sure? because its 5hp/mp per sec in tlunia.

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That's not even close to the 500 str bonus. 500 str gives +30% damage in addition to the 167~167ish damage. Most yukis would get around ~8% damage boost from str with forgotten, which would still keep them 7% short of the 500 str boost. Also, AEH gives the same 15% boost.
Consider the playstyle of people today in pve , engaging with melee is barely seen nor effective. What's more important is upkeeping the mana pool and spam rebirth skills ( iirc, yuki has pretty fast c/d for some of her main dmging skills ). To have a more accurate comparison between 3 sets of 2 piece general piece ( called tactician for yuki I think, not really sure of the name term for glunia ) , you need to work out their stats.

Forgotten Snowgirl

[Def] 2298
[Dmg] 36~60
[Strg] 64
[Vit] 88
[Int] 53
[Dex] 31
[Hp] 70
[Mp] 108


Best General/ Tactician/The one with the greatest strg inclusive of set bonus, if any.
( I took body/weapon for 9d, pants/head for 8d. Yuki's 7th Invincible for shoe/hand )

[Def] 1830
[Dmg] 30~50
[Strg] 196 + 9
[Vit] 0
[Int] -33
[Dex] 21
[Hp] 92
[Mp] 0


So a simple comparison between Tactician vs FSG is - > -468 defense, + 41~37, +141 strg, - 85 vit, -101 int,-10 dex. ( convert hp/mp into vit/int )

Consider strg reside at 500 for tactician and 359 for FSG . Different between the 2 in inc in skill dmg is 30-10 = 20% . FSG make up with 15% + 2.33% ( 7% mag crit ) and the final different that Tactician has over FSG is a mere 2.66%.

So for 2.66% inc skill dmg + 41~37 melee ( dont think melee matters much anyway, pve wise ) , it doesnt seem wise to give up 85 vit, 101int and 5mp/hp recovery per sec. Isn't the larger the mana pool , the better S charge will be for yuki which improve its staging efficiency?

However, this discussion come very well be made pointless once people rebirth multiple times ( 12 to all stats per rebirth at lvl 80 ? ) as well as the increasingly powerful cs that is made available to glunia ( plus the fact you can fort it to get eg +8 strg ) . Not to mention the easily available pots (guild/npc) that could easily add +50 strg to the char. By then, FSG will be even more superior if it hit 500 strg, that unless even further down the road, someone hit 1k strg with tactician.

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The 7.5% crit chance isn't bad. But the AEH 50% damage boost from using ice queen is much better imo. Plus it's so easy to use it in a combo.
AEH > forgotten snow girl, and it's much easier to get/fort.
If I recall correctly, it doesnt matter if one had switch into the inc in elemental dmg bonus after they activate their AEH bonus. The bonus effect is accumulative. So the only comparsion between AEH & FSG is 7mp vs 7% crit + 5mp/hp.

Though I would very much agree on the former is much easier to get and fort.

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I thought this was for pvp .-.

If it really is 5hp/mp per second, then forgotten snow girl with an AEH 2pc switch for ice queen would be better for stages. But I don't know if it's 5hp/mp per second or per 5 seconds (the description in glunia says it's per 5 seconds).
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I thought this was for pvp .-.

If it really is 5hp/mp per second, then forgotten snow girl with an AEH 2pc switch for ice queen would be better for stages. But I don't know if it's 5hp/mp per second or per 5 seconds (the description in glunia says it's per 5 seconds).
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The equips look a lot better, but the stats are lower, and it's a big pain in the ass to just farm the runes/lights/jewelery to get even 1 piece.
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