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CasperMoon 01-09-2013 07:55 PM

Trickster Vs Windows 8?
 
Well, it is about that time, and I'm "Supposedly" to be getting a new laptop soon, overviewing my choices, the laptops in my favor ran Windows 8 or a 64-bit version; (I may be off) but I recently came across a thread with a windows 8 user who was having problems with Trickster and windows 8 cause Trickster is an XP game; system specs of the PC in my favor?

Let's see, 15.6" Screen.

6GB RAM.

750GB Hard Drive.

3rd Gen Intel® Core™ i5-3210M processor
Features a 3MB L3 cache and 2.5GHz processor speed.

Intel® Core™ i5 processor

Intel® Turbo Boost Technology

6GB DDR3 memory
For multitasking power, expandable to 8GB.

Multiformat DVD±RW/CD-RW drive

15.6" LED-backlit TFT-LCD high-definition widescreen display (1366 x 768)
Intel® Wireless Display

750GB hard drive (5400 rpm)

Integrated facial recognition

UMA graphics

Built-in 1.0MP webcam

Multiformat media reader

2 USB 3.0 ports and 1 USB 2.0 port

Built-in high-speed wireless LAN (802.11n)


BUUUUUT, aside from windows 8 performance concerns, are there any brands that you recommend for Trickster?
Since the laptop described above is an Asus, what brands do you recommend?

kite384 01-09-2013 08:11 PM

i got a 3 year old samsung laptop

2GH
4GB ram
dualcore

using windows 8 professional 64 bit

Trickster is working perfectly fine for me win 8 doesnt give me any trouble

CasperMoon 01-09-2013 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kite384 (Post 1797046)
i got a 3 year old samsung laptop

2GH
4GB ram
dualcore

using windows 8 professional 64 bit

Trickster is working perfectly fine for me win 8 doesnt give me any trouble

Ah, many thanks my friend, It's good to know that Windows 8 has no difficulties with Trickster. :py04:

Samsung makes laptops?

kite384 01-09-2013 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasperMoon (Post 1797053)
Ah, many thanks my friend, It's good to know that Windows 8 has no difficulties with Trickster. :py04:

Samsung makes laptops?

no problem ^^ i bought mine in germany and they had Samsung laptops ya O: never had problems with it good laptop :3

Spankeroo 01-09-2013 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasperMoon (Post 1797042)
Well, it is about that time, and I'm "Supposedly" to be getting a new laptop soon, overviewing my choices, the laptops in my favor ran Windows 8 or a 64-bit version; (I may be off) but I recently came across a thread with a windows 8 user who was having problems with Trickster and windows 8 cause Trickster is an XP game; system specs of the PC in my favor?

Let's see, 15.6" Screen.

6GB RAM.

750GB Hard Drive.

3rd Gen Intel® Core™ i5-3210M processor
Features a 3MB L3 cache and 2.5GHz processor speed.

Intel® Core™ i5 processor

Intel® Turbo Boost Technology

6GB DDR3 memory
For multitasking power, expandable to 8GB.

Multiformat DVD±RW/CD-RW drive

15.6" LED-backlit TFT-LCD high-definition widescreen display (1366 x 768)
Intel® Wireless Display

750GB hard drive (5400 rpm)

Integrated facial recognition

UMA graphics

Built-in 1.0MP webcam

Multiformat media reader

2 USB 3.0 ports and 1 USB 2.0 port

Built-in high-speed wireless LAN (802.11n)


BUUUUUT, aside from windows 8 performance concerns, are there any brands that you recommend for Trickster?
Since the laptop described above is an Asus, what brands do you recommend?

Win8 is a complete redevelopment of the Kernel and OS structure, unlike previous OS'es.

I was able to run TO under Win 8 Alpha fine (albeit not multiple clients). Some of my guildies run multiple clients no worries at all.

As long as you have the RAM and a solid DirectX (game still stuck using DirectX libraries) then you should have no problems, in fact it should be more stable than prior platforms.

Personally Win8 is nasty. Is built and developed for maintstream users (obviously) so it totally nasty for developers, high-end users, etc. It will never hit Corporations, hell there are very few enterprise corporations of govt depts who have migrated fully to Win 7. I know most of the top 100 microsoft install base orgs are looking at Win 7. Still to know of a single camel out there even thinking about going to Win 8.

I am finding it hard to source a top end notebook atm with Win 7, all the suppliers have removed Win7 as an option, so painful.

If anyone can get MORE than 4 TO clients running smoothly on your system I'd love to know the Specs and I will add it to my multi client discussion post (where that is sitting atm).

Happy New Year all (belated) :)

/spank

CasperMoon 01-09-2013 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kite384 (Post 1797060)
no problem ^^ i bought mine in germany and they had Samsung laptops ya O: never had problems with it good laptop :3

And after three years? whew, gimmie.

kite384 01-09-2013 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spankeroo (Post 1797062)
If anyone can get MORE than 4 TO clients running smoothly on your system I'd love to know the Specs and I will add it to my multi client discussion post (where that is sitting atm).

Happy New Year all (belated) :)

/spank


i havent tried to run 4 clients
but 3 clients works good to me

2GH dualcore 4GB ram

CasperMoon 01-09-2013 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spankeroo (Post 1797062)
Win8 is a complete redevelopment of the Kernel and OS structure, unlike previous OS'es.

I was able to run TO under Win 8 Alpha fine (albeit not multiple clients). Some of my guildies run multiple clients no worries at all.

As long as you have the RAM and a solid DirectX (game still stuck using DirectX libraries) then you should have no problems, in fact it should be more stable than prior platforms.

Personally Win8 is nasty. Is built and developed for maintstream users (obviously) so it totally nasty for developers, high-end users, etc. It will never hit Corporations, hell there are very few enterprise corporations of govt depts who have migrated fully to Win 7. I know most of the top 100 microsoft install base orgs are looking at Win 7. Still to know of a single camel out there even thinking about going to Win 8.

I am finding it hard to source a top end notebook atm with Win 7, all the suppliers have removed Win7 as an option, so painful.

If anyone can get MORE than 4 TO clients running smoothly on your system I'd love to know the Specs and I will add it to my multi client discussion post (where that is sitting atm).

Happy New Year all (belated) :)

/spank

I'll be sure to let you know how many clients it can handle before lagging whenever I get the laptop.

If I understand you correctly, I also agree. I'd rather have Windows 7 rather than the Windows 8, mostly cause I dislike The boxes SO MUCH; Do you recommend any "Certain Brand" of laptop? As in, a specific company, such as Toshiba, hp, Acer, etc. Anything BUT Dell. :py44:

Spankeroo 01-09-2013 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasperMoon (Post 1797068)
I'll be sure to let you know how many clients it can handle before lagging whenever I get the laptop.

If I understand you correctly, I also agree. I'd rather have Windows 7 rather than the Windows 8, mostly cause I dislike The boxes SO MUCH; Do you recommend any "Certain Brand" of laptop? As in, a specific company, such as Toshiba, hp, Acer, etc. Anything BUT Dell. :py44:

Hard to recommend anyone these days, but when it comes to mainstream OEM's the following I find are stable/good;

* Asus (always trustworthy, typically current hardware)
* Compaq (robust stable version of HP)
* Toshiba (a little pricy sometimes for what you get)

Acer make nice systems but like Dell they 'seem' to have a short life spam, aka they die for any of a myriad of reasons.

Asus also provide top end components (other than just pre builts) so they tend to put more effort into their stuff.

HP make top end current systems but ... I dont know why everyone I know who has purchased a HP notebook/laptop has issues after 12 or more months.

Compaq is HP of course well a merger of the old foes but Compaq systems are more robust.

I am currently looking at Asus systems - I prefer discrete graphics as opposed to shared on board too. But that typically won't affect TO much as GPU performance doesnt have much to do with TO, it's more the RAM. Thus shared RAM could cause issues if you try multi clienting.

The discussion I had on OS's, hardware, etc for multi clients was on official forums which of course is down at the moment. I'll grab the data from there and post a new thread here over the next few days, add some data from the comments above too !

Thank you all, and I hope this helps :)

/spank

Ruriko 01-09-2013 11:54 PM

Try to get Windows 7 because Windows 8 is designed for mobility. There's no start button on Win8. The desktop is like an iPad

CasperMoon 01-10-2013 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruriko (Post 1797114)
Try to get Windows 7 because Windows 8 is designed for mobility. There's no start button on Win8. The desktop is like an iPad

If this is so, how does one go about finding/launching whatever he/she downloaded? If it may be a program? In other words, how would I launch trickster if I happened to get stuck with Windows 8?


UPDATE.

Nevermind, I searched up a how-to and a youtube video explained everything, there is, in fact, a start menu, well, it could be described as a start menu. But also, a list of every application with a shortcut, or activation icon. :py44:

Being an iOS geek, i'd be okay with an iPad-resemblance.

Ruriko 01-10-2013 01:03 AM

Well the start menu is actually hidden. You can either use the windows key on your keyboard or use your mouse and hover to the upper-right and click. If you have a touch screen monitor you can just swipe to access start menu. My recommendations is only get win8 if you have a touch screen monitor

CasperMoon 01-10-2013 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruriko (Post 1797120)
Well the start menu is actually hidden. You can either use the windows key on your keyboard or use your mouse and hover to the upper-right and click. If you have a touch screen monitor you can just swipe to access start menu. My recommendations is only get win8 if you have a touch screen monitor

Hehe, Do you not like everything at the click of a button?~

Ruriko 01-10-2013 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CasperMoon (Post 1797121)
Hehe, Do you not like everything at the click of a button?~

I like clicking, It's just that win8 is designed like you had an oversized iPad

CasperMoon 01-10-2013 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruriko (Post 1797122)
I like clicking, It's just that win8 is designed like you had an oversized iPad

Oooh, I see what you're saying now. And I sort of do agree that it does feel more suited to the touch screen laptops. such as the YOGA.

YoGaMbIt 01-10-2013 02:00 AM

you called?:py53:

kite384 01-10-2013 03:27 AM

i got a program that gives me exactly the same start button like we have on windows 7

Nebula 01-10-2013 03:56 AM

There are a few third party programs that can add back the start menu. The one I tried made my computer take longer to start up so I did a system restore.
I had to google how to shutdown a windows8 computer.

So far on Windows 8 I have had the following issues:
Cannot connect any apple devices properly (Tried an ipad 4 and an ipod shuffle), there is an issue with the digital signature of the driver (whatever that means)
Had issues installing an old Printer.
Problems with the installation of Matlab (this may have been an issue with me downloading it)
And issues with an old version of a Wacom Tablet driver (I had these issues on XP, but I could fix them there)- however downloading the online driver fixes this issue.


As for Trickster- I still have to run it as an admin however I have yet to get a "not genuine", blue screen of death or anything like that with it. I just get the occasional GG crash when I try to start a 2nd client a long time after my first client.

CasperMoon 01-11-2013 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nebula (Post 1797144)
There are a few third party programs that can add back the start menu. The one I tried made my computer take longer to start up so I did a system restore.
I had to google how to shutdown a windows8 computer.

So far on Windows 8 I have had the following issues:
Cannot connect any apple devices properly (Tried an ipad 4 and an ipod shuffle), there is an issue with the digital signature of the driver (whatever that means)
Had issues installing an old Printer.
Problems with the installation of Matlab (this may have been an issue with me downloading it)
And issues with an old version of a Wacom Tablet driver (I had these issues on XP, but I could fix them there)- however downloading the online driver fixes this issue.


As for Trickster- I still have to run it as an admin however I have yet to get a "not genuine", blue screen of death or anything like that with it. I just get the occasional GG crash when I try to start a 2nd client a long time after my first client.

I think the only thing that worries me is the apple devices part. It makes me cry a bit. :py44:

But otherwise, it doesn't sound much of a hassle.

Spankeroo 01-11-2013 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nebula (Post 1797144)
There are a few third party programs that can add back the start menu. The one I tried made my computer take longer to start up so I did a system restore.
I had to google how to shutdown a windows8 computer.

So far on Windows 8 I have had the following issues:
Cannot connect any apple devices properly (Tried an ipad 4 and an ipod shuffle), there is an issue with the digital signature of the driver (whatever that means)
Had issues installing an old Printer.
Problems with the installation of Matlab (this may have been an issue with me downloading it)
And issues with an old version of a Wacom Tablet driver (I had these issues on XP, but I could fix them there)- however downloading the online driver fixes this issue.


As for Trickster- I still have to run it as an admin however I have yet to get a "not genuine", blue screen of death or anything like that with it. I just get the occasional GG crash when I try to start a 2nd client a long time after my first client.

As Gameguard spawns as an affiliated process of Trickster (via splash.exe) and GG requires Admin level access (so it can act like a devil spawn and plague society) the game also must be run at Admin level.

As to the Apple devices, most likely an issue with the AMDS service. It was actually pretty notorious for misbehaving unless initial install was done in Admin mode.

/spank


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