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GranVista 02-17-2012 07:29 PM

LK and Mature Compounding
 
Could someone shed some light on how LK plays out when it comes to Mature Compounding.

What's the formula or how does LK affect the compounding rates.
(eg. LK: 1000 = 100% ??) Something like that, well I'd like to see what ppl think about this and also from ones who have successfully compounded 90-95% potential on their gears.

Jessica 02-17-2012 07:34 PM

There have been so many threads about this...

LK doesn't affect it whatsoever. People have theories that it does, and that DA does, but it doesn't. It depends on your real life luck. >: I've tried peoples theories, and they never work, I get good comps and bad. But usually it's in the middle.

/forum/trickster-onl...mpounding.html here's another thread pretty much about the same thing. There's others but I don't feel like digging for them Dx

GranVista 02-17-2012 07:38 PM

There's also that thing about the 50% ^ mature compound event, that stuff apparently is non-existent.

Jessica 02-17-2012 07:47 PM

I've comped a few times the past few days, with elixirs, and this refine/comp event going and still got very close to min comps. Dx

YenSai 02-17-2012 09:05 PM

Yeah..I will tell you from experience lk does nothing at all. I comped one item to test, with 1k+ lk I got a minimum comp on DA. Then i tried with 200 lk exactly and got a +15.. So really it's all real life luck, I just comp with whatever i'm wearing now.

Also, the compound mastery skill for foxes does absolutely nothing..Just a warning to anyone who was going to get it..I almost think I comp lower with it than i do without it..

coolbluex 02-18-2012 05:33 AM

LK has no relation what so ever to mature compounding, i have a pure LK fox
only real life luck has any affect on your mature compounding =p

there are a lot of theories a simple search for relevant topics will give u a ton of theories u can test for yourself

the 1st job sense compounding does squat too

parudy88 02-18-2012 11:23 AM

It has been confirmed by numerous occasions by kTO GMs that LK DOES affect the mature compound (acts like green elixer on a smaller scale--1st job Fox skill does the same). There is an experiment done by one of the GMs, so let me translate that for you.

Also, DA has zero affect in mature compounding.

Atmosphere 02-18-2012 11:42 AM

LOL, an experiment done by the GM's....
Shouldn't the GM"s already know???

parudy88 02-18-2012 12:31 PM

LK and Mature Compounding
 
This post had been in the front page of official website when Trickster R was still open (2008 August). Captured and reposted by this user

To my knowledge, LK has always been a contributing factor ever since the mature compounding was first introduced (2005 May). I don't think it had ever been changed.


http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg856...jpg&res=medium

To summerize:

1. LK is the ONLY thing among character stats that affect mature compounding

LK helps increasing mature compounding rates, which determines the probabilty of getting higher values (acting like a Green Elixer).

In conclusion, the higher the LK is, the better chance you will have to get higher value.

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3397/30514849.jpg

2. The items used here are Lv. 110 Night Sheild, and HP stone 110 (min 726~max 1452).

No other Elixer or Compound Master skill was used in the experiement.

The mature compounding was done by 6 characters with different LK stat (0, 10, 50, 100, 200, 900), each 100 times (600 times in total)

Here are the results:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4126/98685371.jpg

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/4495/58211362.jpg

3. The column on the left side represents the different range of the values, and each column after that represents the total number of the times that the character ended up with those results.

Note that the character with 0 LK always got a minimum value. . Don't attempt to do mature compounding with 0 LK characters (obviously....XD)

Even 10 LK character shows better results (albeit minimal) than 0 LK.

Beginning from 50 LK, we can see the results starts to become decent. The average value is almost higher by 100 from 10 LK.

What's interesting is, the highest value that came out of this experiment (through 600 times of mature compounding) was 1422, from 50 LK (which he/she wasn't able to acheive even with 900LK)

At 100 and 200LK, we can see the values are still being increased, but not as much they did from 10 LK to 50 LK. 200 LK's average value was only higher by 2 than 100 LK.

Although, it's important to note that the probability of getting the lowest range decreased almost by 50%. . LK 100 and 200 characters never got 726 (the min value of the stone) as end result.

LK 900 character has only managed to get 12 higher points than LK 200 character as an average.


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As you can see, LK 100, 200, 900 character does not show any noticeable differences in end results. While LK 100 and 200 are reasonably easy to achieve with all characters, the same can't be said about LK 900.

There is definitely a margin of error with this experiment, as it was only done 100 times with each range of LK, but it can be a good reference.

In my opinion, get at least LK 100 or 200 if you can when you're doing mature compounding--it will definitely help you with the result. Anything above that, as you can see, is a waste of time and effort.

Of course, if you truly want a good result, go buy the elixers ;)

GranVista 02-18-2012 06:23 PM

That's actually not bad, so getting 1k LK or so is just the beginning. To be able to get really good and high compound rates, it looks to me that you need get around 1500-2k LK, if that's even possible.

What's the highest LK stat anyone has ever gotten to?
(eg. With scrolls, gears, buffs, and fortune)

YenSai 02-18-2012 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GranVista (Post 1680729)
That's actually not bad, so getting 1k LK or so is just the beginning. To be able to get really good and high compound rates, it looks to me that you need get around 1500-2k LK, if that's even possible.

What's the highest LK stat anyone has ever gotten to?
(eg. With scrolls, gears, buffs, and fortune)

Pretty sure someone broke 2k, I know for sure a mage gets 1.6kish on Jewelia..

And yes I agree that is ridiculous..So in other words lk basically does nothing after you get 100~200. That explains why i got better comps with 200 lk rather than 1k >_>

GranVista 02-18-2012 11:59 PM

So I recently looked into the Mature Compound passive ability that foxes have.
"Compound Master"

-Increases Compound accuracy for maturing compound based on LK
(Mastered: 65%)

Does the 65% even help a little bit? It seems to me like foxes are the best choice when it comes to compounding seeing as they got 2 LK buffing skills and a passive that helps with mature compounding.

DELiTO 02-19-2012 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GranVista (Post 1680831)
So I recently looked into the Mature Compound passive ability that foxes have.
"Compound Master"

-Increases Compound accuracy for maturing compound based on LK
(Mastered: 65%)

Does the 65% even help a little bit? It seems to me like foxes are the best choice when it comes to compounding seeing as they got 2 LK buffing skills and a passive that helps with mature compounding.

It was supposed to help but it doesn't.

YenSai 02-19-2012 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GranVista (Post 1680831)
So I recently looked into the Mature Compound passive ability that foxes have.
"Compound Master"

-Increases Compound accuracy for maturing compound based on LK
(Mastered: 65%)

Does the 65% even help a little bit? It seems to me like foxes are the best choice when it comes to compounding seeing as they got 2 LK buffing skills and a passive that helps with mature compounding.

Not at ALL..don't buy it. Honestly, if it doesn't help at all I could almost say my comps have been worse since having it. I'm unlearning it soon, COMPLETE waste of TM.

Like parudy said, 200 lk is about all you need and that is very easy to get on any character, doesn't have to be a fox or a sense.

coolbluex 02-21-2012 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GranVista (Post 1680831)
So I recently looked into the Mature Compound passive ability that foxes have.
"Compound Master"

-Increases Compound accuracy for maturing compound based on LK
(Mastered: 65%)

Does the 65% even help a little bit? It seems to me like foxes are the best choice when it comes to compounding seeing as they got 2 LK buffing skills and a passive that helps with mature compounding.

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolbluex (Post 1680567)
the 1st job sense compounding does squat too

i have it, don't bother. doesn't affect what u get in anyway


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