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It's up to the player if he/she wants to take the risk anyway, right?
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I suppose. Myshop trading is a risky endeavor in the first place. Our only defense now is out wits...

...and the TO Market thread. I believe it's now time to make full use of the iTrader function. I guess we have this silver lining at least.
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I suppose. Myshop trading is a risky endeavor in the first place. Our only defense now is out wits...

...and the TO Market thread. I believe it's now time to make full use of the iTrader function. I guess we have this silver lining at least.
That is true. We still have iTrader~ !
 
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I suppose. Myshop trading is a risky endeavor in the first place. Our only defense now is out wits...

...and the TO Market thread. I believe it's now time to make full use of the iTrader function. I guess we have this silver lining at least.
but not everyone has itrader and most of the TO community doesn't have ggftw accounts for itrader

although the list hasn't stopped people from scamming it's always been a good reference for me... sad to see it not get updated ;-;
 
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^ It has actually saved some of my friends from being scammed. They generally ask me if ''so and so'' is a scammer and I always look on the thread for them.
The thread itself will continue to exist, just without the support and updates. You can try copy&paste (BOA!) the info into a notepad or some sort so you can refer to it when needed. Of course, it'll only last so long as the list won't be up-to-date unless you do it yourselves.
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...most of the TO community doesn't have ggftw accounts for itrader
I guess we should start telling everyone about how great this site then?
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The thread itself will continue to exist, just without the support and updates. You can try copy&paste (BOA!) the info into a notepad or some sort so you can refer to it when needed. Of course, it'll only last so long as the list won't be up-to-date unless you do it yourselves.
^ Lol...I've copied it when Noe announced this...Just in case :>

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but not everyone has itrader and most of the TO community doesn't have ggftw accounts for itrader

although the list hasn't stopped people from scamming it's always been a good reference for me... sad to see it not get updated ;-;
Perhaps, but we can't expect everything to come so easy now, can we? We had this easy-access scammer list and look what happened. It was just a matter of time I suppose.

Therefore, I guess it's time to advertise. Invite people to join our little community. Get to know the ggftw crowd~ We're generally nice people, aren't we?

And besides, in real life, would you really close a deal with someone you just met in the streets? Or would you rather affiliate yourself with a reputable organization (namely ggftw) and do your business within?

And it'll be harder for scammers to abuse iTrader. We can research the accounts of those who wrote in someone's iTrade and see if they're reputable or just mules. Not to mention that our ever vigilant ggftw crew are on the lookout for multi-accounts.
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== people are annoying. Sucks too see something that people put so much effort into go to waste
Well, shit happens.

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I believe it's time to finally check the IP addresses of those mulitple accounts and see who created them? I'm almost 100% sure you won't find 20 different names. (I'm sure you guys already did last night though..)

And isn't this supposed to show you which 'side' can really be trusted? I didn't post on that thread to avoid unnecessary attention / flaming.. though in the end I have to say the opposition just couldn't handle losing FAIRLY to the whole community and had to show their childish side. So they felt the need to make multiple accounts and 'cheat' their way through.

And accusing the staff of taking sides in this case is pointless, anyone with a brain up there could see they were not taking sides. The opposition was the one that screwed this up, his main account on here got banned and they must be happy now. Cause they're such hypocrites, that did everything to win, lost in count, but won in the end by making you close the scammer thread. But guess what? While going this far doing all of this. They "couldn't care less" ?
 
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Things like this have happened before, its just this one got blown out of proportion >_>
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Things like this have happened before, its just this one got blown out of proportion >_>
Yeah...It end up involving so many staff its not even funny
I can like..count 5 of them straight away.

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...and that is why the poll should never have been made... like I said, it was generating more drama that we even needed. I don't see how anyone could think a "free" poll where it was allowed/fair for people to make new accounts/drag their friends to vote was a good idea at all...
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What seemed like a good idea at first, probably isn't now.

I understand Noe's decision though.. don't think the staff wants anymore drama than we do.

Anyway, I think the community can find a few people to make a new scammer thread and copy all the information over. I wish Veil were still here to take care of that thread. ._. I would volunteer but it's a hard job without some ground rules, and I can't guarantee neutrality as you can see in the recent fiasco... I argued against, but people will think I'm biased because I'm friends with the accused.

I still think conflict of interest needs to be taken into account - if the person maintaining these threads are friends with the party involved, they shouldn't be allowed to judge.
 
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^That. If we are going to remake the thread.
 
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It's probably hard to pick out some people that are actually "neutral" by not being involved with either parties, but there are some. I will use Terror's case as an example.

Friends of Terror/GoW: Myself, Loa, LittleLegend, etc.

Friends of Valese/{7N}: Vixen, anyone in {7N}, even Shanni? (moderator)

Possibly neutral people: Mazuiko, MaidLatte, Minty...?

You can add onto that all the people who supposedly "dislike" either God Of War or {7N}... some think it's a forum PvP of sorts. Nobody really knows what kind of intentions each person harbors but a scammer thread needs to be run impartially. :x

tl;dr Anyone could be appointed to "maintain" and update a scammer thread, but the person who judges the proof and decides whether to add a name to the list, should always be someone neutral. If necessary, multiple people can be appointed for this task. I hope the idea works out and we'll still have a decent, working scammer thread.
 
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And accusing the staff of taking sides in this case is pointless, anyone with a brain up there could see they were not taking sides. The opposition was the one that screwed this up, his main account on here got banned and they must be happy now. Cause they're such hypocrites, that did everything to win, lost in count, but won in the end by making you close the scammer thread. But guess what? While going this far doing all of this. They "couldn't care less" ?
@Lyn. Read that.

I don't want a new Scammer Thread, especially not 1 that you would make. The old one was great as it was. The staff that updated it was great. The list was clear. Thank your dear friends for screwing us all over.
 
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Now now, please don't start again. It started with finger pointing and escalated into flame-throwing. And now look at all who got burned...It doesn't matter who "won", but we all "lost" in the end. Let's not repeat the same mistake.

What has happened has happened. The decision is made. It's too late to dwell on it. We should focus instead on what we should do from now on.
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@Lyn. Read that.

I don't want a new Scammer Thread, especially not 1 that you would make. The old one was great as it was. The staff that updated it was great. The list was clear. Thank your dear friends for screwing us all over.
Val, I won't argue with you on that. But do you know what "conflict of interest" means in real life? If this were an actual court case in real life, anyone who is at all affiliated with either parties in ANY way, would not be allowed to take part. So it's only a scammer discussion on an internet forum but the principle behind it is the same.

I like the old thread, but GG finding anyone to update it now.
 

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