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So it's not that bad of a nerf. You still just need lots of MA and you can be fine. Though it looks like with Attr it could make it a bit better.

I don't understand why everyone's worried about this attr thing for mages, it doesn't look that bad.
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3k ish damage with only 150% ish attribute. I think it is quite a difference. If you remember the dragon rings you can with bad compounds get 150% at least.

Well, sure this way you can boost your skills.

But personally I don't like it. I like to have my attacks strength be more equal.
Going on elec/fire I have already chosen to stick with those elements. I don't like the idea to pick out anymore element to focus on. Feel so limited with this.
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@ parudy88:
Thanks, was waiting for some info. Can't wait to test it out for myself.

@ All complaining about the ...complaining:
So let me get this straight, discussing on a forum about the possible implications of a few strange changes to the way an entire class of a game attacks by providing a few theories about what could happen if said theory is true is ...wrong? I suppose if players want to talk about future changes to their class they could start a thread in the Type Forum, but I don't think jumping in acting like a dip**** and saying everyone is just b****ing about things they don't even know is mature at all. Speculators gonna speculate. I honestly didn't see any of this "OMG we're all going to die" that's being lol'd at.

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I think it was a given that attribute % wasn't going to become the "main" aspect of elemental attack formulas. Personally, I was just waiting for info like what parudy88 posted earlier. I still don't like it, but that's my opinion. I fail to see the reason to weaken magic outside of Light, some Dark, and Arrow Rush. Especially Arrow Rush. I would trade Arrow Rush for a drop in physical attribute damage.

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I don't understand why everyone's worried about this attr thing for mages, it doesn't look that bad.
It is if you're a tanker (Dark Witch) like me. Won't help Soul Masters in PvP (except with Blessings, maybe), either.
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After re-re-re-thinking about everything, I have to admit: maybe it isn't that bad what I thought. But I totally agree, that power is OP. God, I'm not really a weakling (~700 with mist, 250ish LK), lvl 215 priest, but there comes a fu**ing lvl 17x bunny and OHKO tetra me, SoH just gets blasted away. It is really not funny...
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I'm a 290 lion. A lv 170 bunny would have no problem wasting me with okay equips. Stares mildly amused*.
 
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Okay I have been reading this.. for sometime so I will give my opinian~

You all say Power types are OP,of course they hit a lot,but they die EASY really EASY if you don't have a good war set balancing hp,ac and ap.

I agree with elemental % on skill,because you can choose a element you want to focus %,and then it be your stab skill and other just tactics and such.I am Dark Lord and I have a wizard..so I can tell about my point of view the 2 chars are specials just need balance it right.

I was tired to see the same damage of electro and can't make the damage better..now you can.

Talking about dark lords.. My stats are 67k hp 1k ma and 148% dark 250 lk and 2,5k dp.Took me much effort to make it like that.And I never recharge,my friends help me up and such but the point is NOW everyone need balance their chars not like it was before for a Light mage just put LK and MA and its fine~

The New Skills are great just lions that get a little less..Even dark lords that get only 1 skill are better then the 2 skills of lion x.x

Its just my opinian.. but guys its for fun what the problem of try balance a little?Sometimes is necessary a revolution ^^
 
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I just thought about it. with Bards/ Soul Master/ Wizard requiring attributes for their magic, wont it really just make it more true to concept of elemental magic? I mean, elemental magic requiring elemental attributes, seems like how things should be. We got 1on1 Bunny, 1onmany Buffalo, Elemental Attribute Sheep, Light/Dark Dragon, Defensive Tanky Suicide Raccoon, Evasive Strong Cat, Driller Explosive Ninja Fox, and Gun Bunker Breaker Lion. And their respective hybrids. It just feels like Cat will keep on being debuffer and evasive. Not to mention Raccoon just keep getting suicide skills. Perhaps the developer's theme was trying to make skills and adjustments what will make each character true to their description. Though I think for cat, they should look at Amy from GrandChase.
 
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After re-re-re-thinking about everything, I have to admit: maybe it isn't that bad what I thought. But I totally agree, that power is OP. God, I'm not really a weakling (~700 with mist, 250ish LK), lvl 215 priest, but there comes a fu**ing lvl 17x bunny and OHKO tetra me, SoH just gets blasted away. It is really not funny...
Sorry-- but 700 MA and 250 LK is garbage for PvP. Lions have a significantly harder time in PvP than you. Try stacking HV, AC, HP, and LK at PvP standards without a Shield and %ac buff.
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Sorry-- but 700 MA and 250 LK is garbage for PvP. Lions have a significantly harder time in PvP than you. Try stacking HV, AC, HP, and LK at PvP standards without a Shield and %ac buff.
1k MA used to be godly in PvP, and he's only 300 away from it. It's not garbage >_> Some people just don't or /can't/ drop loads of money on Trickster. It doesn't mean they're garbage, it means other people waste more money.


And pure Lions never needed HV and LK, their gunner skills are mostly based on AC and AC only. It's because of those people in PvP that have high stats cause of their advantage of being able to buy tons of MyShop that you're forced to have extra stats to defend yourself better.
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1k MA used to be godly in PvP, and he's only 300 away from it. It's not garbage >_> Some people just don't or /can't/ drop loads of money on Trickster. It doesn't mean they're garbage, it means other people waste more money.


And pure Lions never needed HV and LK, their gunner skills are mostly based on AC and AC only. It's because of those people in PvP that have high stats cause of their advantage of being able to buy tons of MyShop that you're forced to have extra stats to defend yourself better.
Key words: Used to be. 700 MA used to be godly in general. Used to be. Also, 300 MA makes a difference. His stats are good for PvM, but garbage for PvP. And for that matter, if he can't drop as much money as others he should find a different game or stick to PvM or PvBoss. PvP has been forever since the release of the original Nyxx and Noxx a game of money.

Gunners don't need HV and LK? LK so they can hit people. HV so they don't get as insta-gibbed as they already are.
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Key words: Used to be. 700 MA used to be godly in general. Used to be. Also, 300 MA makes a difference. His stats are good for PvM, but garbage for PvP. And for that matter, if he can't drop as much money as others he should find a different game or stick to PvM or PvBoss. PvP has been forever since the release of the original Nyxx and Noxx a game of money.

Gunners don't need HV and LK? LK so they can hit people. HV so they don't get as insta-gibbed as they already are.
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1k MA used to be godly in PvP, and he's only 300 away from it. It's not garbage >_> Some people just don't or /can't/ drop loads of money on Trickster. It doesn't mean they're garbage, it means other people waste more money.

And pure Lions never needed HV and LK, their gunner skills are mostly based on AC and AC only. It's because of those people in PvP that have high stats cause of their advantage of being able to buy tons of MyShop that you're forced to have extra stats to defend yourself better.
I already answered you.^

Also, AC is for hitting people, LK is to hit mages or characters that out-LK you. You don't need "LK" to hit people, that's what AC is there for.
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I already answered you.^

Also, AC is for hitting people, LK is to hit mages or characters that out-LK you. You don't need "LK" to hit people, that's what AC is there for.
700 MA is garbage in PvP now. Others have better, therefore the standard is higher. Sure it's at the cost of their money, but they're still better than you.

No. LK is Gun accuracy, and AC is Gun damage. AC plays no role in Lions hitting their targets.
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700 MA is garbage in PvP now. Others have better, therefore the standard is higher. Sure it's at the cost of their money, but they're still better than you.

No. LK is Gun accuracy, and AC is Gun damage. AC plays no role in Lions hitting their targets.
I'm not the one with 700MA, and I was talking about AC in general, not your Lion's AC.

And in PvP it kinda does play a role because people have HV. So you would do no damage if you wouldn't have the AC to hit them.
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Guys, I know that have a lot of things to discuss about skills, PvP and other stuff, but this thread is for future content.

Please feel free to continue this discussion in the appropriate forum. Thank you for understanding.
 
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Thank you Sidero, it finally ended @@ Was getting tired of argueing back and forth... s:


In conclusion; I hope the elemental % just helps the skills hit more and be stronger, not make them weaker, and I hope Techichi revamp will get released soon :3 new quests <3
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Will the other characters come after that? Dragon, fox, cat and buffalo maybe March or April? :O
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Yep trickster pvp, where you can drop 60 bucks to be godly for a few weeks then become obsolete once more until the next 60 bucks you spend. Yet another reason not to go there.
 
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Hey, since the raccoon boxes are out. Next should be lion. Maybe in February?
Will the other characters come after that? Dragon, fox, cat and buffalo maybe March or April? :O
Wonder how they will nerf this set as they hate lions and give the dagger haxx stats, am hopeing for the gun to have decent ap and the hat to have haxx dp/md. Pet will probably have 72ac max.

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The elemental attr definitely helps you out, but the damage is still heavely based on MA. Here is the experiment done to see the damage range for attr %. You can make your own conclusion based on this.

(the OP says his/her skill lv is 10, so the total attr should be 153%, not 157% like in the post)


Hope this helps!
Looks like I'll have to write down my damage on torobbies before the patch comes so I can compare, pre- and post-.
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