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Default a lil' help on 1144 ac pure pls? :D

i've been working on a 1144 ac lion these days, never made a gunner before D:

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EQ: AC nono ring, AC cherry blossom fortune, AC ult.steel helm, 3's AC ult.metal gun, AC evil horns, hp gmv
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I plan 2 get the lv.150 myshop gunner set later, for now no other myshop. Used up all my 1st aniv. cards, dont plan to buy1 till im 200. Im not rich

Which skill should i get 1st: doubleshot or luckyseven? I hear doubleshot is less accurate than powershot Dx.. I got 167 AC, 53 LK using gunbooster. Lving @ bugbears or sf3 if possible. Where 2 grind after 150?

some input ...comments/suggestions/the like, would be gladly appreciated

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Which skill should i get 1st: doubleshot or luckyseven? I hear doubleshot is less accurate than powershot Dx.. I got 167 AC, 53 LK using gunbooster. Lving @ bugbears or sf3 if possible. Where 2 grind after 150?

some input ...comments/suggestions/the like, would be gladly appreciated
My lion was never a gunner until I completed my melee skills but...
I would say get Lucky Seven first if you can already 1hko [ or 1 PS+normal shot ] the monsters you are training on. I'm not sure how well getting Double Shot first will work out in the end. You'll have to ask someone who leveled as a gunner.
Btw, it seems like you are missing Quick Reload. I've calculated it with Quick Reload in case you do have that but forgot to put it. If you plan to get Lucky Seven first your TM will be 85 and if you plan to get Double Shot your TM will be 81. Not much difference but you have to think about how accurate your gun skills will be for the monsters you are training on.

Grinding. I would say at your level stay at bugbears until 100 or 110. After that stay at SF3 until level 170 maybe. I've seen parties that support members up to 170. If you see a bridgeable party for techi4, you could try it out and see how well you do.
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My lion was never a gunner until I completed my melee skills but...
I would say get Lucky Seven first if you can already 1hko [ or 1 PS+normal shot ] the monsters you are training on. I'm not sure how well getting Double Shot first will work out in the end. You'll have to ask someone who leveled as a gunner.
Btw, it seems like you are missing Quick Reload. I've calculated it with Quick Reload in case you do have that but forgot to put it. If you plan to get Lucky Seven first your TM will be 85 and if you plan to get Double Shot your TM will be 81. Not much difference but you have to think about how accurate your gun skills will be for the monsters you are training on.

Grinding. I would say at your level stay at bugbears until 100 or 110. After that stay at SF3 until level 170 maybe. I've seen parties that support members up to 170. If you see a bridgeable party for techi4, you could try it out and see how well you do.
i like sf3 @ this lv D: but no party low enough sometimes ._. oh well, more bugbears then

yeah i forgot 2 add quick reload lol
 
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I would recommend you to go for 4141 rather than 1144.
You're still going to die in one hit in PvP anyway, so whats the point of adding extra HP?
With 4141, you'll have more chance in knocking out the opposition before they reach you. You'll be able to do more damage within a shorter period of time.

But other than that, just pump up on the AC eq and you did probably fix your lion up a little.
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I would recommend you to go for 4141 rather than 1144.
You're still going to die in one hit in PvP anyway, so whats the point of adding extra HP?
With 4141, you'll have more chance in knocking out the opposition before they reach you. You'll be able to do more damage within a shorter period of time.

But other than that, just pump up on the AC eq and you did probably fix your lion up a little.
Thats been @ the back of my head for quite sometime now. Go for the glass cannon type or the "oh u missed me type" lol (against low ac charm types).
What made me go 1144 is seeing how my coon can take down really low hv lions in 1 skill such as FH, but the speed of the lion skills favor otherwise in support of the sprint+ hit n run tactic. Tnks for the advice.
 
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Thats been @ the back of my head for quite sometime now. Go for the glass cannon type or the "oh u missed me type" lol (against low ac charm types).
What made me go 1144 is seeing how my coon can take down really low hv lions in 1 skill such as FH, but the speed of the lion skills favor otherwise in support of the sprint+ hit n run tactic. Tnks for the advice.
Actually, you'll still die because most Raccoons nowadays are abusing the critical bug/ Critical abuse.
Without Super Hips, you can't dodge Criticals. So in the end, you're still dead.
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Actually, you'll still die because most Raccoons nowadays are abusing the critical bug/ Critical abuse.
Without Super Hips, you can't dodge Criticals. So in the end, you're still dead.
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i never knew why would gunners like gun-resist bugbears... i got a 1144 AC lion... went there at around 100... didn't stayed more than 5min... absolutely @#$% hate bugbears... even with AP457 AC10 ult metal gun... i needed like 2-3 PS to kill one freaking @#$% bear...


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well i think a 4141 gunner would have been better not really sure only made a lvl 60 gunner then deleted it but mine build was 4141 and pure LK and the only thing i had to do was use golden set and crit every monster like 9/10 and they die. i perfer to kill mine enemies first before they can kill me. sure 1144 can help you stay alive longer but cmon .... a bunny can kill you easy when you only have only 6K-10K HP and plus our hitting rate aganst monsters and players is pretty much cut in half cause you have a 1144 build.



since your ac as all the points i would perfer you go DS but lucky seven really does help alot.------DS to kill faster-----lucky seven more crits and maybe block more attacks.
 
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as a 1144 Pure AC gunner, i reckon 1144 pure AC is the best build for a gunner
to be able to survive, coz sometimes, even if u want to avoid getting into melee range, there are like 7-8 monsters on the screen, which is almost impossible to avoid, seeing 4141 lions higher leveled than me, he did a great job by using shooting spree but that didn't kill all the monster so one skill attack from a monster was enough to kill him
further more the reason why 1144 is more advantageous than 4141 is because for 4141, ur ONLY gona use AC, so u're wasting the other two which are AP and DX. where as 1144, having 4 on charm, u'll use all the 3 stats on charm which are HV, HP and DP. u r going to use all of them and none of your points are going wasted.
anyway, to answer your question, since u already said it yourself that double is not as accurate, it will be better off getting lucky 7 first so that u can have an accurate aim to begin with
lucky 7 also increases your survivability due to the more blocks and spell dodge rate
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i never knew why would gunners like gun-resist bugbears... i got a 1144 AC lion... went there at around 100... didn't stayed more than 5min... absolutely @#$% hate bugbears... even with AP457 AC10 ult metal gun... i needed like 2-3 PS to kill one freaking @#$% bear...


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as a 1144 Pure AC gunner, i reckon 1144 pure AC is the best build for a gunner
to be able to survive, coz sometimes, even if u want to avoid getting into melee range, there are like 7-8 monsters on the screen, which is almost impossible to avoid, seeing 4141 lions higher leveled than me, he did a great job by using shooting spree but that didn't kill all the monster so one skill attack from a monster was enough to kill him
further more the reason why 1144 is more advantageous than 4141 is because for 4141, ur ONLY gona use AC, so u're wasting the other two which are AP and DX. where as 1144, having 4 on charm, u'll use all the 3 stats on charm which are HV, HP and DP. u r going to use all of them and none of your points are going wasted.
anyway, to answer your question, since u already said it yourself that double is not as accurate, it will be better off getting lucky 7 first so that u can have an accurate aim to begin with
lucky 7 also increases your survivability due to the more blocks and spell dodge rate
you said it all haha

thats a nice way 2 sum the whole 1144 build up *-*

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a bunny can kill you easy when you only have only 6K-10K HP and plus our hitting rate aganst monsters and players is pretty much cut in half cause you have a 1144 build.
bunnies can kill all lions regardless of build. Honestly guard is a pain and the sprint+attack is a sure death. and hit rate on guns is based on lk right? Dx

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Screw bugbears (Gun RESIST mob).. Watch how much hax exp you'll get in techi1 (GUN WEAK MOB!). Though they do hit hard, you're 1144 (yay for hp/hv). There's alot of tension between which is better 4141 or 1144. I've played both and I'd have to say I really enjoyed 1144 more. 4141 dies all the time, 1144 just.. doesn't.. One shotted in PvP? No, not really. Unless you plan to stay with the lvl150 set it should do fine at higher levels. 1144 also is better than 4141 in training. 4141 dies ALL THE TIME.
 
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Screw bugbears (Gun RESIST mob).. Watch how much hax exp you'll get in techi1 (GUN WEAK MOB!). Though they do hit hard, you're 1144 (yay for hp/hv). There's alot of tension between which is better 4141 or 1144. I've played both and I'd have to say I really enjoyed 1144 more. 4141 dies all the time, 1144 just.. doesn't.. One shotted in PvP? No, not really. Unless you plan to stay with the lvl150 set it should do fine at higher levels. 1144 also is better than 4141 in training. 4141 dies ALL THE TIME.
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Ok number 1. STAY 1144. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT CHANGE YOUR BUILD.

Now about your eq, I STRONGLY recommend making the Flying hat your LK hat and getting a White Snake hat to use for AC.

When you start pvp/gvg, it's best to carry 2 types of eq, LK and AC. HV also, if you can afford the 150 charm stuff.
 
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Ok number 1. STAY 1144. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT CHANGE YOUR BUILD.

Now about your eq, I STRONGLY recommend making the Flying hat your LK hat and getting a White Snake hat to use for AC.

When you start pvp/gvg, it's best to carry 2 types of eq, LK and AC. HV also, if you can afford the 150 charm stuff.
AC n LK set is a must have *-* the hv stuffs i got starting @ lv.170.
no gvg till then for me x3

mt had a thread on 4141 and 1144 but now its gone lol, maybe sum1 will transfer it here.. oh well Dx
 
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1144 lions are better, no question there, 4141, 2 stats go wasted? lol
seriously, if u don't believe it, have, 2 lions around the same level, one with 1144, another with 4141 going against each other without equips. i'm pretty sure the 1144 will win HV + HP = ownage lol?
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1144 lions are better, no question there, 4141, 2 stats go wasted? lol
seriously, if u don't believe it, have, 2 lions around the same level, one with 1144, another with 4141 going against each other without equips. i'm pretty sure the 1144 will win HV + HP = ownage lol?
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1144 lions are better, no question there, 4141, 2 stats go wasted? lol
seriously, if u don't believe it, have, 2 lions around the same level, one with 1144, another with 4141 going against each other without equips. i'm pretty sure the 1144 will win HV + HP = ownage lol?
That is hardly a good indicator in my opinion.

Beside 4 in Power is not a total waste, I switch to melee when I train my Lion in gun resist training place (i.e Bugbear) and it turn out to be more effective than to find alternative places or keep training with gun.

Not really sure about what j0el claimed since my Lion level is not that high, but with decent equipment (no MyHax), I could survive just well in training.

In the end, it's just a matter of preferences to me and I can say I enjoyed being 4141, that's all there is to it.

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melee? lol, how r u planning on surviving while u only have 1 on charm? Bug bears, i can't survive without spamming pots against a couple of bug bears without spamming pots =.= i wonder how having 1 on charm would help >_>
and for gun resist monster, lucky fist would be a better idea than putting 4 on power lol
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