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4 hits? Seriously?

I don't even die that quickly with my oc3 f91 = =

F91 has speed. Abuse that. Misguide newbies? really? When F91's job is to deal damage and not take hits? Nobody cares if you have over 9000 exes. If you don't know how to apply exes, its useless. I have a F91 myself. F91 hits hard. Not soak damage. Too slow to dodge? Boo-hoo.

Don't need to accuse other people of misinformation. Its like the pot calling the kettle black.
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F91 has speed?? Abuse that???
26.7 you call that speed???? Even Kshatriya has 27.0 IJ&SF 27.6 SR Sinanju 28.5. Abuse F91's speed? just with 26.7??

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You don't believe the 4 hits thing??
You said F91 hits hard??
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I never said I don't believe that F91 dies in 4 hits.

But I still last long. 4 hits is still survivable. If you're too slow to dodge, then boom.

also, so what? 26.7 is still fast. Just cause it ain't the king doesn't mean it still can't be played for a ploy. There was a reason why F91 was nerfed multiple times.

When it comes to c/ocing, there's no such thing as truth and facts. Only efficiency. Is OC Def efficient enough to make F91 survive things? No, not for me.

Also, Ao, I'll be raging whenever I damn please.
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I never said I don't believe that F91 dies in 4 hits.

But I still last long. 4 hits is still survivable. If you're too slow to dodge, then boom.

also, so what? 26.7 is still fast. Just cause it ain't the king doesn't mean it still can't be played for a ploy. There was a reason why F91 was nerfed multiple times.

When it comes to c/ocing, there's no such thing as truth and facts. Only efficiency. Is OC Def efficient enough to make F91 survive things? No, not for me.

Also, Ao, I'll be raging whenever I damn please.
Whatever you say.

Check this vid out.
See how a real pro at KR server pilots F91.
This guy plays 8hrs+/day. He make money by broadcasting his live SD gameplay at KR.
See how a NT struggle with F91


Not taking hits? This is just pure joke.

This game is not possible to 100% dodge. 100% hit is possible!

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Eh , but I know some players who can read other player`s movement pattern and manual aim from there . Wierd hhmmmmm .
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F91. I'm gonna have to agree with Kisaragi on this one.

It probably has the best maneuverability of any paper out there. Make use of it.

Sure you might not be able to dodge 100%, but if you hit 100% like you said, then who needs to dodge? They'll die faster than you anyway.

In any case with F91's mobility you'll be able to dodge about 70-80% anyway. That's more than enough.

Full attack F91 all the way.
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@ shift

I understand your point that OC atk F91 is btr than OC def because well, imo F91's role is not so much close range as it is mid, however, carcer's playstyle may not happen to work that way.

Yes I know that at this point you will probably think something along the lines of "then the playstyle is wrong" because well, i personally have had that experience before, but was acutally quite surprised at what certain players (not to be announced) managed to abuse with different OC builds. While yes, OC is to make a suit more complettivie, I think if you dont plan on going hardcore with a ceratin suit, and just playing around with it, you could OC it to your liking to make the suit more suited for you.

@ EVERYONE

While its true that certain OC builds are more effective than others, i find that OC is to make a suit more suited to your preference. I understand complaining that a suit is not built correctly because it could lead to a negative impact on your gameplay, but you'd be pretty surprised at how well some players can made unusual builds work. My point is that each player has their own niche and cannot play every single suit type at god tier.

Sure it would be great if your playstyle fit the optimal OC build perfectly, because you're just that in sync with the suit, however, i believe that its optional for players to OC something a certain way, as long as it works for them.

i think that at this point you guys should leave carcer with his own build, and a suggestion to try other ones, and potentially a different playstyle once in a while to see how he finds what is generally considered to be F91's ideal role and build.

There's too much rage going down in this thread.

@ OC EX ISSUES

oh and if you can acutally read jp (I can 8D)

then this line says

(Bランクなら0.9。Aランクなら0.6。鉄壁スキルに寄る上升制限なしだと思われる)
(B ranku nara 0. 9. A ranku nara 0. 6. Teppeki sukiru ni yoru uemasu seigen nashi da to omo wareru)

this means that a B rank gains 0.9 points and an A rank gains 0.6 and that skills do not seem to value of the increase.

in other words, to clarify for everyone.

If the MS has no penalty, it is ~1 OC point, while if the MS has a penalty, then it is worth several OC points

so lets say that with fortress a B rank will gain ~0.4 or ~0.3 of a stat after the application of a regular OC point, however with EX they will still gain 0.9 instead of the penaltied version.

However, MS without the penalty gain that much ANYWAYS.

so this would make it more efficient for things like snipers/fortress units to put their EX points into those respective stats as they would get awesome bonuses while it would be more worthwhile to invest EX stats into other skills for units without those skills unless you really want that extra OC point. (ex. you need 0.00000001 more damage to be able to kill something in X hits, while atm you can only kill it in x+1 hits and you are OC6)

I hope this solves what people were argueing about and wondering about (as well as makes some clarifications about OCEX), so stop raging at each other already
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Whatever you say.

Check this vid out.
See how a real pro at KR server pilots F91.
This guy plays 8hrs+/day. He make money by broadcasting his live SD gameplay at KR.
See how a NT struggle with F91


Not taking hits? This is just pure joke.

This game is not possible to 100% dodge. 100% hit is possible!
Nobody said to dodge 100%, all you have to do is kill faster than the enemy, simple.
Also, speed maxes out at 24.9 so it doesn't matter from 1000000000000000000 to 24.9, it's all the same in this game.
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ok

lets say you do hit 100%

you dodge 0%

Atk vs no atk

You kill faster, leaving for more room to make mistakes

Efficiency. I kill fast, and I have to deal with less. Kill or be killed.
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Whatever.
You guys think you are good at dodge and everybody else is noobs then OC atk.
The reason I don't OC f91's atk is:
F91 without oc hp and def is too fragile. And it doesn't have good weapon damage(e.g. F91's w2 beam rifle has only 1300 dmg comparing Turn A has 1600). Ur points invested into atk doesn't have a good return.
The most important thing is there are always pros who are better than u and they will give a fatal blow no matter how you dodge.
Corps don't have DPS.


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Fuunsaiki--A horse with God gundam on it.
OC 5 -- 3 hp 6 def
Don't get it wrong, horse is the main part not that G gundam : )

A fun suite to play.
Extremely rely on SP.
U must get at least 2 slots sp at the very beginning of the game to transform in to burst into super horse mode(please neglect the sub part on it) before others get full SP. Or you gonna eat SP all through out the game.
Basically, you need to rush if you are piloting this horse : )

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Whatever.
You guys think you are good at dodge and everybody else is noobs then OC atk.
The reason I don't OC f91's atk is:
F91 without oc hp and def is too fragile. And it doesn't have good weapon damage(e.g. F91's w2 beam rifle has only 1300 dmg comparing Turn A has 1600). Ur points invested into atk doesn't have a good return.
The most important thing is there are always pros who are better than u and they will give a fatal blow no matter how you dodge.
Corps don't have DPS.


Fuunsaiki Vid updated:


Fuunsaiki--A horse with God gundam on it.
OC 5 -- 3 hp 6 def
Don't get it wrong, horse is the main part not that G gundam : )

A fun suite to play.
Extremely rely on SP.
U must get at least 2 slots sp at the very beginning of the game to transform in to burst into super horse mode(please neglect the sub part on it) before others get full SP. Or you gonna eat SP all through out the game.
Basically, you need to rush if you are piloting this horse : )
No not really.
What I do know in TW is play with unleveled suits and still win.
Which is painfully pathetic.
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You really need to stop generalizing.

Its not a matter of HUEHUEHUE I'M PRO OTHERS NOOB I OC ATK

I only go for efficiency. Maximum usefulness of one thing. if you think return on the investment is bad, then you haven't been seeing it right. I still stand. 1300 max multiplier is enough for me. Atk can still hurt. I go reckless and gamble. HP/Def is like adding HP/Def on Sword Calam, it's not enough.

Meh, whatever you want.
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It's not really OC unless you put everything in attack. Nuff said.

(just kidding. Play non-OC. It's a lot more fun.)
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New vid updated:
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Better BGM version[If you cannot see this please due to the copyright problem, plz see the another vid below]
Spoiler!





BGM revised version(copyright problem solved)

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New Vid Updated:

3 A battles and 1 A+
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Blocked on copyright grounds, lol
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Blocked on copyright grounds, lol
lol
I didn't see that coming.

Anyway, I changed the BGM.
Now it should not be blocked by copyright.

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lol
I didn't see that coming.

Anyway, I changed the BGM.
Now it should not be blocked by copyright.

Enjoy:

Spoiler!

Nice Vid!
I've downloaded for my reference.
 
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Nice Vid!
I've downloaded for my reference.
Thanks.

update:
Seravee vid~
I found out that this gundam is better with hp and def oced than oc atk.

My OC plan: 3hp 1 dex 1atk 7 def



Ur reply is my motivation to make more vids!
 
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Thanks.

update:
Seravee vid~
I found out that this gundam is better with hp and def oced than oc atk.

My OC plan: 3hp 1 dex 1atk 7 def



Ur reply is my motivation to make more vids!
I would like the video if i dind't hate english dubs
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