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So this is why GN Archer was scrapped down to an MS rather than its original gundam design.
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lmao a bee? beter suited for G Gundam
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lmao a bee? beter suited for G Gundam
After G Gundam, EVERY Gundam bar Turn A and GX series were inherently Super Robo, often capable of withstanding Super-Robo class damage with minimal damage, or capable of using Super-Robo class blasts with minimal drawbacks except for plot points.

Examples: Wing: Lol plot armor.
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Turn A is the most super like Gundam of them all. What are you talking about? Turn A at 100% can destroy anything. The Moonlight Butterfly at 100% output can cover everything from Earth to Jupiter. It can regenerate any part including the pilot. I-field. Can teleport. It can teleport it's beams for crying out loud!

(Also, the Gundams in Wing did not have plot armor. They always had the awesome armor throughout the series. That's not what plotarmor is. The pilots, now THEY had some serious plotarmor.)
 
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Turn A is the most super like Gundam of them all. What are you talking about? Turn A at 100% can destroy anything. The Moonlight Butterfly at 100% output can cover everything from Earth to Jupiter. It can regenerate any part including the pilot. I-field. Can teleport. It can teleport it's beams for crying out loud!

(Also, the Gundams in Wing did not have plot armor. They always had the awesome armor throughout the series. That's not what plotarmor is. The pilots, now THEY had some serious plotarmor.)
>_> Wing's armor was basically intact after self destruct. THAT is plot armor.

And yes, I know about 100% Turn A, you forgot the colony laser for a handgun, but it's simply excuseable as normal advanced tech because the story keeps the TA's power constant in anime (that, and the thing was made like a thousand years after X series (where X equals all Gundams). Super Robo = Tech which does not contain a possibility to exist within the reality of physics. Turn A is just a slight exaggeration with Gundam tech, kinda like Star Trek. It's NOT the Tech itself's strength that makes something Real or Super, it's how realistic the tech itself is. Turn A takes those limits and pushes them into Hybrid Limits, but the tech itself is realistic to a degree you got an EASY grasp of how, but we don't exactly got MUCH proof.

Wing however has the armor of the Gundams all over the place at times. And let's not forget the infamous EW example of a Leo actually being able to square off vs and beat the equivalent of an MP'd Gundam, the Serpant, when in the series all a Leo could do was stare as its mono-eye was haxed apart.

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>_> Wing's armor was basically intact after self destruct. THAT is plot armor.

And yes, I know about 100% Turn A, you forgot the colony laser for a handgun, but it's simply excuseable as normal advanced tech because the story keeps the TA's power constant in anime (that, and the thing was made like a thousand years after X series (where X equals all Gundams). Super Robo = Tech which does not contain a possibility to exist within the reality of physics. Turn A is just a slight exaggeration with Gundam tech, kinda like Star Trek. It's NOT the Tech itself's strength that makes something Real or Super, it's how realistic the tech itself is.

Wing however has the armor of the Gundams all over the place at times. And let's not forget the infamous EW example of a Leo actually being able to square off vs and beat the equivalent of an MP'd Gundam, the Serpant, when in the series all a Leo could do was stare as its mono-eye was haxed apart.
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After G Gundam, EVERY Gundam bar Turn A and GX series were inherently Super Robo, often capable of withstanding Super-Robo class damage with minimal damage, or capable of using Super-Robo class blasts with minimal drawbacks except for plot points.

Examples: Wing: Lol plot armor.
SEED: Lol Beamspam no drawbacks
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When i said better suited for gundam g, i meant design-wise. But yea ya'll got some good points right there.
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When i said better suited for gundam g, i meant design-wise. But yea ya'll got some good points right there.

It's those points that seperate the UC fans from the AU fans (if you'll notice, most UC heavy fans dislike or loathe Wing, SEED, and DESTINY). Turn A (non-Full powar) and GX/DX are both inherently 100% Real robo (and both ironically have the highest tie-ins to UC out of all AUs, hence their popularity with the UC Crowd).

The fact is, I would put that crazy Bee into any Gundam Series. It's overly colorful, so it fits right on in with SEED mecha or 00 (Blue, Green, Yellow, and Black! Yay!), and it fits in with Wing with horrible designs that probably win battles (seriously, excluding Wing/0/0C Gundam, none of the Wing mechas had ANY impressive weaponry at that, they all sucked all *censor*. I mean come on, a Beam SHOTEL? A SCYTHE? Those two coulda passed off as Arab Gundam and Shinigami Gundam for G Gundam...)

Fact is, the model's horrible, and could fit in with any Super Robo Gundam Reject series.
 
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Turn A is the most super like Gundam of them all. What are you talking about? Turn A at 100% can destroy anything. The Moonlight Butterfly at 100% output can cover everything from Earth to Jupiter. It can regenerate any part including the pilot. I-field. Can teleport. It can teleport it's beams for crying out loud!

(Also, the Gundams in Wing did not have plot armor. They always had the awesome armor throughout the series. That's not what plotarmor is. The pilots, now THEY had some serious plotarmor.)
I agree ze. Turn A Gundam has the power to destroy ANY barrier in the world ze.

Gundam SEED/DESTINY has WAY too much plot armor ze. Seriously Kira was alive when Aegis STOOK on to Strike WITH the cockpit open. wtf ze.
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I agree ze. Turn A Gundam has the power to destroy ANY barrier in the world ze.

Gundam SEED/DESTINY has WAY too much plot armor ze. Seriously Kira was alive when Aegis STOOK on to Strike WITH the cockpit open. wtf ze.
Technically Turn A isn't a super though. It's a Hybrid. It works like a real robo but with the damage output and resistance of a super. Even then, it's still by classification a real...
 
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Technically Turn A isn't a super though. It's a Hybrid. It works like a real robo but with the damage output and resistance of a super. Even then, it's still by classification a real...
tbh, I don't see how. I mean Mazinger Z should have been Real Robot ze.



The only reason IT should be Real is the Breast Fire technique ze.
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The super/real classification is retarded anyway. People using SRW logic to discuss their animus.
 
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The super/real classification is retarded anyway. People using SRW logic to discuss their animus.
That's what I thought about the classification ze. I actually thought super was better then real .
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Since super/real robot terms are not well defined, there are lots of mechas which fall inbetween these categlories. As a general run of thumb though for easy reference, most super robots call out their attacks (without going into 1000pages of detail) XD
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Since super/real robot terms are not well defined, there are lots of mechas which fall inbetween these categlories. As a general run of thumb though for easy reference, most super robots call out their attacks (without going into 1000pages of detail) XD
Actually most Supers pertain to Supernatural or completely alien energy sources (examples: Mazinger, Getter, TTGL), possibly contain attacks beyond normal comprehension (Hades Project Zeorymer), have insane plot armor (Mazinger is known for this, one minute it takes nothing, next it is ripped apart. See Freedom Gundam for perfect example.

Turn A is a real robo overall. The only thing super about it really is how it's able to summon basically any missile in existance (and how it can keep repairing itself without more nanites which were all nuked in some attacks).

Hybrids do exist. Mechs with Super class weapons, power sources, or defense and real class speed/dodging (usually). For all intensive purposes, Turn A at WORST Classifies under this because of the obscene lengths the Turn A can go in terms of tech. It's not hard usually to distinguish what's a real and what's a super. It's when they're Hybrid that it becomes an issue.

And Reals are not inherently worse than supers unless the Real doesn't have some level of decently strong weaponry. Hi-Nu, F91, V2 Buster are 3 examples of the few reals that probably could whup Super butt.
 
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Actually most Supers pertain to Supernatural or completely alien energy sources (examples: Mazinger, Getter, TTGL), possibly contain attacks beyond normal comprehension (Hades Project Zeorymer), have insane plot armor (Mazinger is known for this, one minute it takes nothing, next it is ripped apart. See Freedom Gundam for perfect example.

Turn A is a real robo overall. The only thing super about it really is how it's able to summon basically any missile in existance (and how it can keep repairing itself without more nanites which were all nuked in some attacks).

Hybrids do exist. Mechs with Super class weapons, power sources, or defense and real class speed/dodging (usually). For all intensive purposes, Turn A at WORST Classifies under this because of the obscene lengths the Turn A can go in terms of tech. It's not hard usually to distinguish what's a real and what's a super. It's when they're Hybrid that it becomes an issue.

And Reals are not inherently worse than supers unless the Real doesn't have some level of decently strong weaponry. Hi-Nu, F91, V2 Buster are 3 examples of the few reals that probably could whup Super butt.
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