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11-25-2011   #61 (permalink)
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Its a good cannon acutally

if we're talking about crappy S sci

only arios
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Arios is ok.........
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Well, I cant think of any S scissor that is worse
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FAZZ still good?
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It was never that bad

rifle
homings
KD

can support itself and team mates quite well from the mid range

purge for no boost melee

ranged spec

amazing skill 2

I never found it to be a bad suit o_o
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Yea that's what i thought...A good support unit.
It's just that no one uses it EVER whenever i pvp. So i just went to the conclusion.
My bad....
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Yea that's what i thought...A good support unit.
It's just that no one uses it EVER whenever i pvp. So i just went to the conclusion.
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v2ab 2 strong 2 use another scissor
 
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Yea that's what i thought...A good support unit.
It's just that no one uses it EVER whenever i pvp. So i just went to the conclusion.
My bad....
Usually if you don't see a suit being used, most of the time, it's just because the suit itself isn't very popular.

Most people prefer SEED or Wing suits after all.
 
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Arios is ok.........
Not so much with the huge anti-beam meta+just relatively low damage in general compared to most other S scis.

S Zeta being a great example of what to choose over arios
 
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FAZZ has really low reliable damage by the way.

I'm talking Destiny ranged mode levels of low. (AKA As low as S rank scissors can get.)

And once purged FAZZ is the absolute bottom.

The only time it ever has good damage is if you somehow manage to land all your missiles and KD beam.

And has anybody ever found out exactly how much beam damage its skill2 reduces by?

I would say Arios works better as a support unit too. Boost Down Dash attack and on the spot massive DPS. The tradeoff being beam only.

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Well, I cant think of any S scissor that is worse
Somehow prefer Arios over Freedom. By quite a stretch. But that might be my bias towards MGs speakin.
 
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massive DPS.
Trainer GM does too
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Fine. I'll elaborate.

Arios : Main DPS is W3, W2 is used when W3 runs out.
18.3 ATK
2600 W3.
999 W2.
Beam MG speed. (I wish we had frame data on animations)
Thats a LOT. And its quite viable if you aren't affected too much by lag. Especially so as a support.

FAZZ : Main DPS is Missiles and BR. KD is used for the KD effect. (Not as DPS because your damage cuts off when you use it obviously.
15.3 ATK (Rock Scissors bottom. Destiny level)
Missiles are 319x8. 2552 Total. To match Arios, you must land with ALL OF THEM. Not to mention they are slow and can easily be shot down/dodged/whatever
BR is 1300. Just average.
KD is 2050. Average.

Purged mode is shit DPS.

Not going to go into Trainer GM.

TLDR : Arios has undeniably higher damage than FAZZ. Unless FAZZ heavily abuses homing effect on missiles, Arios beats it out using superior mobility to find holes in the enemy defense.

As for support, FAZZ really only provides a team buff, which has no real data and some mediocre damage. Arios provides boost downs and much better, though arguably still quite mediocre, damage.
 
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Too be honest, Arios wep 3 is hard to land and your a sitting duck if you want to land all of them. Its hard to kite with it and wep 2 aint that great.
Immoblity during wep 3 + Low Defense + Low attack on wep 2 = Food
However FAZZ has homings, which can be used even if you are behind the building. Its wep 2 and wep 3 are ok and it has higher defense than Arios. Not to mention FAZZ has Ballistics.
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Fine. I'll elaborate.

Arios : Main DPS is W3, W2 is used when W3 runs out.
18.3 ATK
2600 W3.
999 W2.
Beam MG speed. (I wish we had frame data on animations)
Thats a LOT. And its quite viable if you aren't affected too much by lag. Especially so as a support.

FAZZ : Main DPS is Missiles and BR. KD is used for the KD effect. (Not as DPS because your damage cuts off when you use it obviously.
15.3 ATK (Rock Scissors bottom. Destiny level)
Missiles are 319x8. 2552 Total. To match Arios, you must land with ALL OF THEM. Not to mention they are slow and can easily be shot down/dodged/whatever
BR is 1300. Just average.
KD is 2050. Average.

Purged mode is shit DPS.

Not going to go into Trainer GM.

TLDR : Arios has undeniably higher damage than FAZZ. Unless FAZZ heavily abuses homing effect on missiles, Arios beats it out using superior mobility to find holes in the enemy defense.

As for support, FAZZ really only provides a team buff, which has no real data and some mediocre damage. Arios provides boost downs and much better, though arguably still quite mediocre, damage.
no just no, arios has no ballistics and fazz is more durable, fazz having all the ranges exept melee ( main mode) an aura and it's attack is quite decent.
sure arios has a boost down and "higher flat dps" considering u'll be dealing "true damage" while arios has an all around kit, that said most units (the ones being used) have some type of beam defense, while the selection of ballistic defense is really short. also arios cant pokeshot since it's dps, fazz can pokeshot like a beast and it's purge mode melee destroy's MA
 
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Boost down. Fly away.

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You make it sound like they're good homings. I know they home, but they honestly aren't that amazing. Low damage as you won't land with them unless as support.

They are slow and unlikely to hit anyone who keeps aware of their surroundings.

In a support situation where you COULD land all of them, Arios would do more damage. (Unless I Field of course).

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wep 2 and wep 3 are ok
Not really. "most units (the ones being used)" rape FAZZ in terms of BRs and KD beams.

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arios has no ballistics
Ok. Not absolutely necessary, but I see your point. I would still argue that being beam only doesn't make it shit-tier.

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You can abuse R mode Vdrop mobility to get shots in from odd angles, over buildings and all sorts of places. Whilst Arios gives up the pokeshooting ability, it inherently gains some with mobility.

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I don't really understand this one. Could you explain? I'm pretty sure you shouldn't melee MAs unless they're close to death. Or if you're SR EW.

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Ok guys. Stop this already.

Both FAZZ and Arios have 14500 HP.
Arios has a 3500/50 Shield. FAZZ does NOT.

Arios has 21.3/19.8 DEF. FAZZ has 22.8/19.5 DEF.
What does this mean? It means FAZZ has a grand total of 1.5 more DEF than Arios in normal mode. Correct me if I'm wrong, but thats about 3% reduction.

So please don't use FAZZ's defense as a selling point. Otherwise we should now start worshipping Destiny as the tank homing scissor god. (22.8 DEF)

Skill 2 for FAZZ activates at 50% hp and you need SP. And still nobody knows how much damage it reduces by.

And a final note.

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Then doesn't this just make FAZZ even more useless? I have I-field, now why do I want some deadweight on my team providing me with a minimal damage reducing buff? Granted, it has other team buffs but is it really worth having a low tier suit on your team?

Of course, Arios doesn't fare that well either but at the very least I believe it works better than FAZZ.
 
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>FAZZ homings aint that great
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
FAZZ's Missiles have nice curving, decent speed, and awesome reload.
FAZZ melee in Mode 2 is both fast and 2 hit.
Fast + 2 hit = MA killer unless you clearly have no idea how to use them.

>Defense? This is why i dont trust numbers.
Ofc if you dont own/tried the suit, all you would do is to use numbers. You will never see the difference of FAZZ and Arios interms of defense.

PS: Has both (thanks to karl) and used both to their extent before.
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ok first

lets start with how you play the suits

arios the main source of damage is indeed weapon 3

the secondary is weapon 2 in mode 2

weapon 1 in mode 2 is meant as a way of quickly getting to something and hitting it, often save team mates or retreat

mode 1 weapon 2 is shit

weapon 1 is meh

Your skills are nothing special.

The weapons are all bmg, meaning, unless you have godly aim, you will nto be doing alot of damage if your opponents press ww or something similar.

FAZZ has a standard rifle, this is more consistant. The KD beam helps with saving team and survival + damage output from long range, which arios cannot do

you can shoot homings from behind cover. aka more survivability

purge mode melee is 2 hit KD free turnslash and fast as shit, not to mention it acutally does quite a bit of damage. if you slash 4x against an MA (only doing the first hit) you can take off alot of its hp in a very fast period of time.

FAZZ has beam defense as well. The buff it gives applies to the whole team.

This buff includes RADAR.

On a final note, though its dps is indeed less than arios w3, etc, that does not mean that it hits hard. If we really want to go into this, you can have a BR alex and an arios sit beside each other and spam guns in a points match. The BR alex would win, not to mention a god damn FAZZ.

Nobody said that FAZZ was very good, but it is for sure much better than arios.

FYI, I have played both and own an arios.

As rock player, I tend to ignore arios while moving around to avoid its guns or use it to gain SP, while I tend to get FAZZ out of the way so I dont have to deal with homings and KD.
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It all comes right down to individual preferences.
Both of them have their pros and cons.

Neither one of them are "Unique" like Providence.
Nuff said.
 
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i cant believe ppl are actually talking about arios
i thought that arios was an A rank thats worth 5 pts?
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