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Really? I don't rly use them but im getting anxious, cuz i keep fearing another new seed suit will come and needs aile/force...
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i don't really think there's another one that needs them....
SF needs sword strike, so nah
 
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i don't really think there's another one that needs them....
SF needs sword strike, so nah
You might never know dude, the units from the unnamed gundam SEED movie might just need them.
 
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Okay, anyone that knows a good zooker that's A rank?
i only know of stamen and G-3AR, and hyaku AS but that's a pain to make...
A bit old but:

Stamen: Weak, low ammo, iffy skills, it's really begging to die.

ARG3: High Damage, near infinite ammo, decent enough melee although nowhere near good, vulcans for emergencies.

Hyaku AS: Fast rate of fire, good damage, low ammo. It WILL have accuracy probs unless you're a pro zooker, just like most.

AR Buster: High Rate of fire, not exactly fast. Good Damage, about the same ammo as Hyaku (if not the same, not bothering with Wikia). It's w3 is basically undodgeable. Phase shift weakens out Vulcans and Zooks which are becoming more common slowly the more Akatsuki and Nu Gundams come out. Has attack up. Can go either way. Personally, I found out AR Buster tanks more dmg per point than kills faster per point. (If I remember, it was 1 or 2 hits less to kill a BR Alex, and like 3-5 more tanks of it's beam rifle).
 
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Hyaku AS: Fast rate of fire, good damage, low ammo. It WILL have accuracy probs unless you're a pro zooker, just like most.

AR Buster: It's w3 is basically undodgeable.
= = obviously you haven't use Hyaku before
The weapon 3 of Hyaku and Ar Buster is basically the same thing. Both of them have the same range and AOE type weapon.
How come AR buster's w3 is SOMEHOW can't be dodged and Hyaku's will have accuracy problem...
 
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You might never know dude, the units from the unnamed gundam SEED movie might just need them.
It will take forever to be released.....
 
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= = obviously you haven't use Hyaku before
The weapon 3 of Hyaku and Ar Buster is basically the same thing. Both of them have the same range and AOE type weapon.
How come AR buster's w3 is SOMEHOW can't be dodged and Hyaku's will have accuracy problem...

Hyaku's actually a shell that fires from my experience, although fast. Unless they changed it.

AR Buster's w3 is actually more like Kampfer's shot gun or most Vulcans. NO projectile, it just *****slaps you.
 
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Hyaku's actually a shell that fires from my experience, although fast. Unless they changed it.

AR Buster's w3 is actually more like Kampfer's shot gun or most Vulcans. NO projectile, it just *****slaps you.
basically the same..
i like using their w3 for enemies up in the air..
AOE ftw
 
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basically the same..
i like using their w3 for enemies up in the air..
AOE ftw
Basically != Same.

One actually shoots a projectile, which pops pretty close

The other auto hits. No questions asked

If you have a Freedom nub jamming across the screen, and you use auto lock (or even manual), you have a damn good chance of missing with that projectile. Meanwhile, I will next to never miss with ARB.

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Basically != Same.

One actually shoots a projectile, which pops pretty close

The other auto hits. No questions asked

If you have a Freedom nub jamming across the screen, and you use auto lock (or even manual), you have a damn good chance of missing with that projectile. Meanwhile, I will next to never miss with ARB.

*Edgeworth bow*
*wear Layton's hat* Objection
no one is stupid to use w3 long distance.
at close range, they are the same AOE weapon
 
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I tried both AS Hyaku (On nek0's acc) and AR Buster.

AR Buster DOES have a projectile, its not like Kampfer's, but it does fly pretty fast.
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I tried both AS Hyaku (On nek0's acc) and AR Buster.

AR Buster DOES have a projectile, its not like Kampfer's, but it does fly pretty fast.
Video with slow motion capture then plox to confirm? *Can't use his account for a few hours*

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*wear Layton's hat* Objection
no one is stupid to use w3 long distance.
at close range, they are the same AOE weapon
Objection! *Slams Desk*

We're speaking mid range to mid-close range combat. Even at that range, it is wholly possible for the AS Hyaku's slower (considering Shift's on statement) Grenade/zook/etc to miss entirely.

Even if it's an actual projectile that's "pretty fast", AR busters is barely unnoticeable (unless that's Shift's imagination. I've looked, I've never seen this projectile!).

Meanwhile, you can see Hyaku's.

Assuming that there's a 50% quicker speed than Hyaku's, and presuming one's facing a Freedom which, obviously, it's not at point blank but a decent distance away, and it's N-Jamming around you in a circle.

The AR Buster would have, in my experience, an 80% chance of hitting at least, if not 90%, just with Auto-lock.

I do not know AS Hyaku's, but in the same circumstances, the slower projectile would lag behind the freedom, and quite easily miss the target entirely with the boom.

In terms of efficiency, one could thus say AR Buster has the superior w3, simply as it has a better speed and that alone, presuming they have roughly the same splash radius (again, haven't played Hyaku since I made Sazabi).

Any weapon that requires less aim and is used in a similar situation with (disputed) similar damage meant for similar reasons, is inherently superior. If the Hyaku w3 bullet had a far bigger damage, I'd concede though the two would be even again.

But the point is the two weapons are, inherently, not the same. As shift conceeded, the w3 is at least "pretty fast", not Kampfer fast, but close to it as he never denied it being at least 'close to the speed'. That speed difference can make a big difference.

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And I'm in college, not returning until my finals are done :<

But I'm pretty damn sure that there's a fast projectile before AR Buster's. Its there.
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bloody hell..
where is neko when you need him...
 
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He's online in SDGO just about 5 minutes ago when I logoff, just not confirm is that him or not.
 
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He's online in SDGO just about 5 minutes ago when I logoff, just not confirm is that him or not.
I was on to record the video to substantiate my claims. Well, even Shift get it wrong sometimes. He got me confused for a while, since what he said is different from what I've remembered. Daily games with AR Buster can't be wrong, so I checked, and conclusion?




AR Buster's W2 comes out fast. Even if you fired repeatedly. So I've no idea what Vartio is talking about it with the "High Rate of fire, not exactly fast". It probably has the fastest rate of fire for a BAZOOKA projectile. By bazooka projectile I mean those that has near out-of-view scope range. Not grenades or whatever. It's insanely quick, confirmed by my fellow TW zookers whom I have had a competition with. Some can't even get use to the firing speed.

W3 is almost instantaneous. No shell, just good ol' shotgun. Travels like teleporting burst shots, hurts like a *****. Good range, good firepower, good AOE. The recommended choice against in-air units, N-Jammers, whatever. If you don't suck with a zook unit, that thing is gonna hit if they are in range. Simple as that. And seriously, whoever auto-aims with this in real games deserves to be slapped.


Hyaku AS, standard over-shoulder W2 bazooka. Nothing to say about it.

W3 is a clay shot. Fires a shell, burst on "impact". Takes time to reach target.


So in short, by purely on weaponry alone, my view is that AR Buster > Hyaku AS, definitely. Of course, as an overall unit, I still prefer AR Buster too.

Well, video's here to for rock solid proof. I am glad I am not wrong about my all-time favourite unit.
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I was on to record the video to substantiate my claims. Well, even Shift get it wrong sometimes. He got me confused for a while, since what he said is different from what I've remembered. Daily games with AR Buster can't be wrong, so I checked, and conclusion?




AR Buster's W2 comes out fast. Even if you fired repeatedly. So I've no idea what Vartio is talking about it with the "High Rate of fire, not exactly fast". It probably has the fastest rate of fire for a BAZOOKA projectile. By bazooka projectile I mean those that has out-of-view scope range. Not grenades or whatever. It's insanely quick, confirmed by my fellow TW zookers whom I have had a competition with. Some can't even get use to the firing speed.

W3 is almost instantaneous. No shell, just good ol' shotgun. Travels like teleporting burst shots, hurts like a *****. Good range, good firepower, good AOE. The recommended choice against in-air units, N-Jammers, whatever. If you don't suck with a zook unit, that thing is gonna hit if they are in range. Simple as that.


Hyaku AS, standard over-shoulder W2 bazooka. Nothing to say about it.

W3 is a clay shot. Fires a shell, burst on "impact". Takes time to reach target.


So in short, by purely on weaponry alone, my view is that AR Buster > Hyaku AS, definitely. Of course, as an overall unit, I still prefer AR Buster too.

Well, video's here to for rock solid proof. I am glad I am not wrong about my all-time favourite unit.
So essentially Buster AR is imba zooker, and not even G3 AR/Hyaku AS/Calamity AR can match this, rite?( well maybe verde buster is better... nah that suit was screwed up)

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So essentially Buster AR is imba zooker, and not even G3 AR/Hyaku AS/Calamity AR can match this, rite?
I won't say it's imba. It lacks shields, defense, runs out of ammo easily, and has abysmal melee. And honestly, Phase-Shift as the second skill is nothing to fap to, unless you are fighting against other units with pure physical weapons. How I'll kill for Hyaku's Newtype ability, or G3-AR's reload or latent potential.

Offensively it is solid. Pure HP/Defense Buster here, and it still hurts others like it doesn't give a damn. Of course, it still take hits like a baby, although that has been improved with the OCs. Because it can dish out all of it's W2 and W3 in seconds, it's DPS is high. Of course, you have a semi-useless unit once you ran out of ammo.

I'll say it is well balanced.


G3-AR, another fav suit. Urm, has good ammo, good reload, dual zooks means you can hit more easily. Ammo up means you don't really have to use melee ever, so that's good. Has vulcans against air, so that's covered. Has shield covering your back to prevent some crits, which can be a life-saver.

Comparing instantaneous damage however, it loses to Hyaku and Buster obviously. If Buster's specialty is quick volleys of damage, G3-AR's forte is to maintain constant streams of consistant damage (which is why it is the recommended choice in EX1 for quite a long while). Skills are also good for doing that. So yeah. It depends on what you wanna do with your zookers. Quick painful damage output or decent overall damage output.

After playing AR Buster, G3-AR's zooks and overall reaction seems slower in comparison. Buster AR is silky smooth. G3-AR felt like it had a few rusty gears in it's parts.


I've never really liked Hyaku because of spec.

I've never used Calamity AR because I don't have one. So I can't compare.
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i played with Hyaku before
Even through the def and hp are lower than AR Buster, the rock protection skill makes up for it. The only con for the suit is that sp is pretty much useless. Sp is slow and any normal players can dodge it easily
 
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I won't say it's imba. It lacks shields, defense, runs out of ammo easily, and has abysmal melee. And honestly, Phase-Shift as the second skill is nothing to fap to, unless you are fighting against other units with pure physical weapons. How I'll kill for Hyaku's Newtype ability, or G3-AR's reload or latent potential.

However, offensively it is solid. Pure HP/Defense Buster here, and it still hurts others like it doesn't give a damn. Of course, it still take hits like a baby, although that has been improved with the OCs. Because it can dish out all of it's W2 and W3 in seconds, it's DPS is high. Of course, you have a semi-useless unit once you ran out of ammo.

I'll say it is well balanced.


G3-AR, another fav suit. Urm, has good ammo, good reload, dual zooks means you can hit more easily. Ammo up means you don't really have to use melee ever, so that's good. Has vulcans against air, so that's covered. Has shield covering crits, which can be a life-saver.

Comparing instantaneous damage however, it loses to Hyaku and Buster obviously. If Buster's specialty is quick volleys of damage, G3-AR's forte is to maintain constant streams of consistant damage. Skills are also good for doing that. So yeah. It depends on what you wanna do with your zookers. Quick painful damage output or decent overall damage output.

After playing AR Buster, G3-AR's zooks and overall reaction seems slower in comparison. Buster AR is silky smooth. G3-AR felt like it had a few rusty gears in it's parts.


I've never really liked Hyaku because of spec.

I've never used Calamity AR because I don't have one. So I can't compare.
In short, weaponry and SP wise ARBalest is better with AR G3 coming as second and skill wise AS Hyaku Shiki is better? After reading those texts, I find getting either one of them is good enough. I got a fewling~!

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