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Problem is, good players don't do things so straightforward.

Whip -> WAIT FOR YOU to make the first move -> kill

Rocks are just like ice hockey. In a stalemate, the one who makes the first move loses. You know how to counter, I know how to counter that counter.
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Nope, not implying that the beam saber is short but I still think catching with Sazabi's W2 is easy enough once you dodged the whip. Lets say the T3 used the whip from a bit of a distance. The follow up slash would come in a short while since the T3 would have to rush forward to hit, which means I have the opportunity to do the W2 animation to flinch the T3 and then follow with W1.

T3 is a monster rock suit, I know. I have both T3 and Sazabi and I know how to counter them both.
I think decent T3 players would have anticipated the ZBS move once they see you draw your swords out, and act accordingly.
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Problem is, good players don't do things so straightforward.

Whip -> WAIT FOR YOU to make the first move -> kill

Rocks are just like ice hockey. In a stalemate, the one who makes the first move loses. You know how to counter, I know how to counter that counter.
Haha yeah, sadly if I chase then the game is over. The T3 might back down and shoot, I miss W2 and retreat and spam mode 1 W1 and 2. If I have spec and the T3 dodges, then its death for me.

The game style isn't always straightforward. I just merely illustrated what could happen and you did the same. A good scissor won't chase a rock, especially one with backup. Same with papers. But hey, it is possible to defeat a T3 with a Sazabi.
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Possible, but that doesn't make it on the same level.

T3 is on a whole different level.

You illustrate, and I expand that illustration. If the T3 ain't wounded, it WILL survive as long as its not spec.
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I wanted to say that I don't need to have a T3 wounded to win though. I said I could fight it on equal footing and it IS possible.
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not to mention that sazabi falls behind greatly in mobility
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You're welcome to try. From full health, Sazabi is probably just a pushover to T3.

Wounded, it still has its aura. More boost recovery.

Sure you can make it fight at equal footing. But all in all, Sazabi is still inferior in every way. Possible this, possible that, there's only one thing dominates the battlefield, and that is absolute.
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I wanted to say that I don't need to have a T3 wounded to win though. I said I could fight it on equal footing and it IS possible.
IMO, sazabi is largely countered by T3. Whip is just too awesome for mid/short and trading long range shots would probably favor T3 as well. The only way I can see a sazabi getting out from a solo encounter unscathed or with a better tradeoff against a T3 is having spec or if he can get to a teammate/teammate get to him.
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not to mention that sazabi falls behind greatly in mobility
Mobility isn't an issue since Sazabi has better bullet spam if you hit repeatedly with W1 and 2 on mode 1 and you connect with those hits. The discussion said that it is possible to dodge both the whip and the melee and the T3 would shoot with the cannon. The Sazabi could miss the W2 on mode 2 and switch to mode 1 and spam W1 and 2 instead on mode 2. By then the whip wouldn't still be available and both wouldn't chase. The 1 shot from the mega cannon could be amounted to two hits of damage (I am referencing an OC6 HP/Def T3 vs an OC5 C Agi OC Attack Sazabi) but the Sazabi could fire faster. Both could already have taken cover if the map has many obstacles, or the T3 could've landed two shots from the cannon as he retreats and the Sazabi could've landed 3-4 hits from the W1 and 2 on mode 1.

EDIT: I also mentioned SP from Strengthened Funnels so it is a given that the Sazabi might/will Spec after landing some hits.
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You forgot one more thing that Sazabi cannot do at all.

T3 can shoot its cannon WITHOUT exposing itself.
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If a T3 cant whipdrag to hit one target.....I don't think that the example would work since that T3 probably played for like a week or something. It's almost impossible to miss the target if you're just whipping one guy with no fear of him bursting u to death or meleeing you to death.
Even IF you dodge the whip, its not like Sazabi's melee is stronger to T3's so its still a 50/50 AFTER dodging the uber whip.

Ok, sazabi can weapon spam. Big EFFIN deal. Tallgeese 3 can shoot UNDER COVER. No T3 would just go out in the open and shoot u and stay out in the open for you to switchshot his ass to death.


I really hate to burst your bubble but its near impossible for a Sazabi to get the better of a T3. Yes it is POSSIBLE. However, your luck must be good enough to win scratch&wins or the skill level of the T3 must be comparatively bad.
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I wasn't saying that Sazabi is superior to T3 in any way if we're talking about the suit only. I did say however that Sazabi could win vs a T3 on equal footing if I play my cards right. It was mentioned that Sazabi is screwed if the T3 doesn't rush and just spam lasers (read the previous posts). But just in case it does rush, it IS possible to dodge the whip and the melee and counter with W2. If I miss, I back out and switchspam in mode 1. The whip wouldn't still be available by then and the T3 would cannon me down while taking cover.

Its just a matter of what ifs and I am not saying that Sazabi > T3 hands down. I was able to win a 1 vs 1 with a T3 a couple of times in the pro channel, and I did mention in several posts that the battles are up close. If the T3 doesn't come over, I repeat that I said I am pretty much screwed. It is possible to win, and again, I am not saying that Sazabi is superior to T3.
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I wasn't saying that Sazabi is superior to T3 in any way if we're talking about the suit only. I did say however that Sazabi could win vs a T3 on equal footing if I play my cards right. It was mentioned that Sazabi is screwed if the T3 doesn't rush and just spam lasers (read the previous posts). But just in case it does rush, it IS possible to dodge the whip and the melee and counter with W2. If I miss, I back out and switchspam in mode 1. The whip wouldn't still be available by then and the T3 would cannon me down while taking cover.

Its just a matter of what ifs and I am not saying that Sazabi > T3 hands down. I was able to win a 1 vs 1 with a T3 a couple of times in the pro channel, and I did mention in several posts that the battles are up close. If the T3 doesn't come over, I repeat that I said I am pretty much screwed. It is possible to win, and again, I am not saying that Sazabi is superior to T3.
The T3 will probably be sticking close to you even if the whip miss. All it will do is to see if you are having melee mode on or off. If it is on, he will probably do something to lure the w2 out, if not he will just rush forward.

A T3 can afford to stay close in that situation to shoot at your face, knowing that it still have the upperhand in melee as long as you continue to stay melee mode. But the moment you take out your rifle to shoot, the T3 will be moving for you. Transforming between modes does some time and have the immovable frame, regardless of however little, and the T3 will most likely have struck you by the time you are done.
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if u miss the w2, you would die. you wouldnt even be able to back out and switchspam in mode 1.

Dodging the whip takes incredible luck. I really have found no way to dodge the whip and melee except by feinting a rush and getting lucky on the distance judging.

Also, sazabi's w2 does not make u automatically win against a T3 in melee. Sazabi's w2 is not as imba as jav gundam's lunge or shin zaku's rush to make it that high.
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Pro Channel != Good players

You're putting faith on a royal flush to appear. If that gambit fails, you lose hard. Switchspam, all the T3 need to do is stall and whip you again.
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Uh, no?

If you dodge the whip, you still need to outrun the melee. The moment you run out of boost, you're dead. You're not "nearly" safe. Dodge the whip, and you're still in close proximity of T3. Dodge the whip, and it becomes a game of wolf and jackal.

Unless you're trying to imply that a standard length beam saber is bad. Anyone with a sane mind with T3 could defeat Sazabi. The only thing in their way is the spec, dodge that, and Sazabi is a dead red machine. Whereas T3 could take alot of punishment from Sazabi. Miss a whip, melee? A well-oc'd T3 probably will have 60, 50% health left.

Or, if I miss the whip, I could do the other option and retreat and shoot you again. Simple. If the Sazabi chases, it will lose.
^I have to agree with this

Sazabi shouldn't run after rocks even though it's a tank, plus it already has fortress, which slows its speed down even more

No good for it when fortress activates while chasing after a rock.

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if u miss the w2, you would die. you wouldnt even be able to back out and switchspam in mode 1.

Dodging the whip takes incredible luck. I really have found no way to dodge the whip and melee except by feinting a rush and getting lucky on the distance judging.

Also, sazabi's w2 does not make u automatically win against a T3 in melee. Sazabi's w2 is not as imba as jav gundam's lunge or shin zaku's rush to make it that high.
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No stupid fortress..
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Just a question about its weapon 2. If you drag enemy with your claws and move aside before it reaches you, would the enemy move to where you use the claws or move to where you move to?
 
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i rolled Nataku yesterday..
Just a question about its weapon 2. If you drag enemy with your claws and move aside before it reaches you, would the enemy move to where you use the claws or move to where you move to?
It depends. It has a set delay before it starts the yank.

It will pull to the exact area you were before the yank.

This is why some people use it to MCA rather than just yank and melee. Because most expect that rush-in melee (then MCA) rather than the move around, and thus counter with spec.
 

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