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There's nothing to argue about, Alvatore can't tank and even in alvaaron, it's not as good.

Alvatore is too big of a target, even with its camping capabilities, you would need a relatively large object to hide behind.

Who cares about stats, by the time you reach a conclusion with your numbers, chances are you would have been close to death.

You didn't even factor in the case you get hit by suits that have full sp.

Skill of killing Alvatore with SSNW, sounds funny.

On topic, so many no srudim rooms in kr.

Besides, I was merely pointing out a fact.
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Another thing to note is that it has 2 shields, front in mode 1, side in mode 2 (They are different shields)
And in BS...
Shield regenerates if you switch out and switch back.
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That's the same for every suit that can purge or has a breakable I-Field...

And Chsal, forget the numbers and calculations. Really.
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That's the same for every suit that can purge or has a breakable I-Field...
Really? The last I tried dumping a Alvatore in the BS, it's GN-Field don't come back.

Else I would have done dual Alvatore BS for the lulz already.

Or does it only work for I-Fields?
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Really? The last I tried dumping a Alvatore in the BS, it's GN-Field don't come back.

Else I would have done dual Alvatore BS for the lulz already.

Or does it only work for I-Fields?
It works for SR Dendro (tried it myself), and I've seen EX-S do it too in KR. If 2/3 can do it, I'm assuming Quin Martha can too.

The purge part is also true, MC Gundam starts out in mode 1 every time it switches.

It should work for Alvatore too?
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It works for SR Dendro (tried it myself), and I've seen EX-S do it too in KR.

The purge part is also true, MC Gundam starts out in mode 1 every time it switches.

It should work for Alvatore too?
I know purge is true. I am just not sure if they changed the mechanics or anything for the GN-Field, cause I did thought of doing a dual Alvatore BS before, and I play tested it a few times to confirm it, although it was months ago.

Maybe the developers felt it's too stupid for a Alvatore/Alvaaron with perma shields on.
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They nerfed V2AB HP and mode 2 weapon reload rates right? It's DPS should still be beast.

what are the top tier S-scissors in SDGO atm? I've got NT-D and am thinking of getting another S rank scis, (Have Alvatore in the works)
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Mode 1: Defense nerf
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NT-D is still the top tier S scissor now, and it will be more popular when the funnel patch comes.
Only in TW.Though when Sinanju is released, things may change more.
Top tier in KR is called SRudim, the Cherudim that was dreamed of.
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There's nothing to argue about, Alvatore can't tank and even in alvaaron, it's not as good.

Alvatore is too big of a target, even with its camping capabilities, you would need a relatively large object to hide behind.

Who cares about stats, by the time you reach a conclusion with your numbers, chances are you would have been close to death.

You didn't even factor in the case you get hit by suits that have full sp.

Skill of killing Alvatore with SSNW, sounds funny.

On topic, so many no srudim rooms in kr.

Besides, I was merely pointing out a fact.
Never said Alvatore should tank. Simply said that compared to just about every other scissors suit, it could take more damage.
Hence, not fragile.

And it seriously isn't that hard to find an object to hide behind.
Whats the standard map(s) to be judged on?
For example, theres a billion buildings to hide behind in AEU field.
Theres none in shitty desert map.

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Who cares about stats, by the time you reach a conclusion with your numbers, chances are you would have been close to death.
And actually, a lot of people care about stats. This particular community is just about the only one who doesn't =/.

I'm not close to death btw.

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IIRC having full SP doesn't actually increase your damage in any way. It gives you skills which may or may not give you increase in damage.

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Well yea. If the Alvatore actually knows his shit he gets the **** out of there. With a searching range of 5000 or so he should be able to see it coming. It comes down to how good each player is.

And not to mention when somebody is MCAing around you and crap like that, all you have to do is hold the right mouse button down and they can never crit you. Unless you're lagging.

And Alvatore still deals with rocks better than most scissors.
Most scissors die when you melee them.
Alvatore can at least hit back if boost downed and stuff.
Not to mention Alvatore will SURVIVE 12120 damage combo from SSNW while most other scissors won't. Or at the very least with some decent amount of HP left.

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Besides, I was merely pointing out a fact
I know exactly what I'm saying. You apparently don't, as you simply waved away solid stats.

Seriously, in the end, the only arguments still standing are:
Its easy to hit - Which is map dependant.
Speccable - Which actually requires two.
Its bad against rocks - When in fact its actually better against rocks than most scissors are.

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Only in TW.Though when Sinanju is released, things may change more.
Sinanju has been released already.

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Sinanju has been released already.
He meant Sinanju plan.
 
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The fact I pointed out was your assumptions are bad and forever bad.
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Never said Alvatore should tank. Simply said that compared to just about every other scissors suit, it could take more damage.
Hence, not fragile.

And it seriously isn't that hard to find an object to hide behind.
Whats the standard map(s) to be judged on?
For example, theres a billion buildings to hide behind in AEU field.
Theres none in shitty desert map.



And actually, a lot of people care about stats. This particular community is just about the only one who doesn't =/.

I'm not close to death btw.



IIRC having full SP doesn't actually increase your damage in any way. It gives you skills which may or may not give you increase in damage.



Well yea. If the Alvatore actually knows his shit he gets the **** out of there. With a searching range of 5000 or so he should be able to see it coming. It comes down to how good each player is.

And not to mention when somebody is MCAing around you and crap like that, all you have to do is hold the right mouse button down and they can never crit you. Unless you're lagging.

And Alvatore still deals with rocks better than most scissors.
Most scissors die when you melee them.
Alvatore can at least hit back if boost downed and stuff.
Not to mention Alvatore will SURVIVE 12120 damage combo from SSNW while most other scissors won't. Or at the very least with some decent amount of HP left.


I know exactly what I'm saying. You apparently don't, as you simply waved away solid stats.

Seriously, in the end, the only arguments still standing are:
Its easy to hit - Which is map dependant.
Speccable - Which actually requires two.
Its bad against rocks - When in fact its actually better against rocks than most scissors are.


Sinanju has been released already.
Half of AEU's buildings are not fat enough for alva to hide behind. I'll see your glowly little bubble and shoot splash damage attacks.

The fact is, alva is way too large to hide properly. Honestly, there are not nearly as many places for it to take cover as anything else

Its not that the community does not care about stats, but you can easily see that in SD, stats are not as important as you make them out to be. Player skill, weapon set, lots of shit.

You do know what we mean by full sp right? You know there's a stat fore it right? It makes you godlike in terms of sp damage

You cant tell wtf is running at you from 5000 distance btw, and you cant really tell if the thing is moving forward. You wont be able to see a suit until it gets relatively close, around the 3000 distance mark. Even if you see a suit starting at that mark, are you going to run right away and screw your team over?

How can you identify what's there at you from 5000 distance? How do you know its a susanowo and not a V2AB in I field mode?

Spoiler!


You do know, that skilled players who MCA and are very proficient at it will result in SS combined with the MCA right? This means that you will see their afterimage in front of you when they're meleeing your back. People also always lag, deal with it. Also, who is honestly going to just hold down right click, especially if its a team situation. Alva has slow agi, so the moment you try to dash at it, and the guy notices, you die.

Btw, 2 hits from ssnw is a combo?

Then wth would be my 6 hits + w2 R w1? Some sort of deus ex machina?

btw, that deals 33120 damage assuming that its crits.

The ironic part? Suits like NT-D and X2 can survive that full combo. Problem?

Spec only requires 1 from some suits, especailly on its second life.

Just how is it better against rocks than scissors like X2 and NT-D again? How?

Ffs, even destiny can do better with its free zbs, huge reach weapon 2. Akatsuki has rock boost with skil 2 and melee speed that is faster than some S rocks. FAZZ has a free zbs. S Zeta, S the O and arios all have dashes to catch, and in S Z's case, murder rocks with. 00Q can quantize. Freedom has N-Jammer. Ffs, most of the S rocks have something that saves them from rocks. It just so happens that alva has antiflinch as its option - which is sadly not even that effective if you ever get into a situation of greater than 1v1 with alvatore due to its slow ass melee start up in mode 1.
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S Zeta is better than Alvatore for dealing with rocks.
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X2 refuses to die when comboed, esp. high OC ones...

On the other hand, one whole clip of X3 MG, one shot of murasame blaster, an X2 gone.

Anyone tested X3 with Alvatore yet?
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X2 refuses to die when comboed, esp. high OC ones...

On the other hand, one whole clip of X3 MG, one shot of murasame blaster, an X2 gone.

Anyone tested X3 with Alvatore yet?
there is no need, x3 is a scissor rapist abuser pedophile.

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Too much beam

It gets a lot less useful 30 sec into the match when all the I Field'ers gain their I Field skills or grab built-in I fields...
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I'm confused now

Some say SRudim is the best scissor and some say NT-D and some say SF

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I'll just go and try and get V2AB from that wasabii pack....

I mean I already have NT-D, but I don't really like the feel of it, doesn't suit me that well. (Ironic I know, as I spam papers and camp like a feggit, but it just doesn't feel the same)

or maybe get Arios for teh lulz
 
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There's going to be different top tiers because TW doesn't have them yet.

Is that so hard to understand?

And whatever happened to S Zeta?
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its called preparations =/
 
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