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Just tested.

from the front, aced susanowo takes 3 to break the GN field

and, just as I said, 1 tri punisher and 1 slash breaks the GN field from the back.

alvaron has it broken from 1 slash or 2 slashes

If you dont believe me, go test it yourself

btw, used 2 pc's

"AoRenai" aced susanowo, my alt
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NEITHER SUIT HAS ANY C OR OC WHAT-SO-EVER

VID TAKEN OFF, no point keeping it there to prove something already proven.

Note that the delay between tripunisher and weapon 1 can be shortened dramatically. This time, it was shown slowly due to it being a test.

Also note that ssnw's weapon 1 damage is enhanced by its skill 2's crit dmg effect

Even if the shield surrounds the suit, it still takes critical damage because its a hit to the back rather than one to the front. This critical damage is also applied to the shield.
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Ok, I was wrong on the shield part. I apologize for my error.

But still, my points:

1) You took more than 1 second.

2) You said it was a 1v1, while both your teams are off in some wierd place fighting. You think someone is just gonna sit there and let you whack his back twice?
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Ok, I was wrong on the shield part.

But still, my points:

1) You took more than 1 second.

2) You said it was a 1v1, while both your teams are off in some wierd place fighting. You think someone is just gonna sit there and let you whack his back twice?
Yes.
Yes they will.
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So during a 1v1, he's gonna zone off and turn his back to you, while you're the only on in sight.

Because that totally makes sense, melty.
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Yes.
Yes they will.
You have no idea how much I laughed at this.

But please stop fighting.

In the end, Alvatore is still fragile and Chsal has no idea he is saying.

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So during a 1v1, he's gonna zone off and turn his back to you, while you're the only on in sight.

Because that totally makes sense, melty.
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Ok, I was wrong on the shield part.

But still, my points:

1) You took more than 1 second.

2) You said it was a 1v1, while both your teams are off in some wierd place fighting. You think someone is just gonna sit there and let you whack his back twice?
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Note that the delay between tripunisher and weapon 1 can be shortened dramatically. This time, it was shown slowly due to it being a test.
If you really want to see how fast it can go, you can refer to the first few mins of my ssnw video. It has a clip where i use them in succession at.... 1:25

There is basically no delay between the two weapons

@ 2

use self as bait, aka position self in front of him

double tab A or D

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press 1

click

yes, you will get 2 crits

trust me, it works.
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@ 1



If you really want to see how fast it can go, you can refer to the first few mins of my ssnw video. It has a clip where i use them in succession at.... 1:25

There is basically no delay between the two weapons

@ 2

use self as bait, aka position self in front of him

double tab A or D

click

press 1

click

yes, you will get 2 crits

trust me, it works.
Ao, you're basing this off as in everyone that 1v1's a Susanowo with a scissor is a retard.

You think anyone is going to fight a Susanowo head on with a Alvatore, of all things?

It's more like natural instinct. You see something that can potentially cause you a lot of danger (a scis seeing a rock) and your first instincts are to back off.
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So during a 1v1, he's gonna zone off and turn his back to you, while you're the only on in sight.

Because that totally makes sense, melty.
Yes.
Some TW pubs just did that.
In DM no less.

Mainly the reason I am severely disappointed with the TW server now.
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If a clip of A rank DSH MGs break the shield then I don't see how much the numbers count.

I have done this multiple times back in the days when I actively used my A rank DSH. Yea, even I can do it.

And honestly, nobody mentioned X3's machine cannons???
Cynister .... within a few clips of X3`s ranged attacks , the GN Field will break down in a few seconds . And right @Chsal *facepalm* How many Alvatores have you shot down ? Your probably doing it wrong , almost any suit with good firepower can tear an Alvatore to bits . ( if the player doesn`t know how to react that is ) . The GN Field in fact just dies fast , and isn`t that def stat based when it still has its GN Field on ?
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Ao, you're basing this off as in everyone that 1v1's a Susanowo with a scissor is a retard.

You think anyone is going to fight a Susanowo head on with a Alvatore, of all things?

It's more like natural instinct. You see something that can potentially cause you a lot of danger (a scis seeing a rock) and your first instincts are to back off.
lets take this scenario then.

ssnw vultures someone on the alva's team, gets vet infighter

alva's ranged arsenal becomes near useless, guy does not purge

ssnw uses melee dash to get close, due to this, assume 1/2 boost duration remaining when ssnw nears alva. ssnw presses R

Alva decides to melee ssnw

ssnw -> jump forward and up

weapon 2 (near 100% of the time crit)
weapon 1 (crit most of the time, if not crit w1 again to KD + break shield)

alva's melee in MA mode has too big a delay to zbs the ssnw unless he knows in advance that the ssnw will use this tactic to get behind him.

There are also other tactics that ssnw can use to outmaneuver alva, such as reaction time game (dash 1 way, then suddenly start dashing the other way to get crits on the guy who just turned 1 way to prevent you from getting crits)
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I think you missed my point in "backing off".

Doesn't matter if you have infighter and Alvatore's main weapon is blocked. If he wants to survive, he'd back off.

Fight or Flight?
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why do you think i assumed half boost duration?

thats assuming that you do not stop to manage and the map does not allow booster recovery during SS

I'm sure that melee dash + 5 seconds of boost > 4 seconds of boost that does not have something to melee dash away at.

Also note that if a ssnw player feels he cant catch up, he'd just R and bomb it with tri punisher and the chakram, which, taking into consideration alva's size, is equally deadly is it not?
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Okay.
We should stop trying to argue over something that Chsal started by bullshiting everywhere.
Point is, I field/GN Fields do get affected by critical hits.
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We can also assume that Susanowo has 100% hp and Alvatore has only 40% hp with skill 2 on.

Then again, this is too much "lets assume this and lets assume that", anything can happen in a game like this.

And like Melty said, we should stop.

Thank you for your insight, good sir. (Trying to not sound like an ass, more like finishing a convo with a more gentleman way)
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Well, yeah in the game anything can happen. I agree that we'll stop here.

all in all, that was pretty fun for a ball of rage.
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Secretly, Chsal is sitting in his chair laughing to tears at having trolled us all.
 
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lol and I was thinking about the same thing too.
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it would be funny if Chsal was actually trying to troll.

but he's serious about these things (I know, he's IRL friend, and just judging by the tone of his posts he's in argument-mode)

unless he was so successful that he trolled me too.
 
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Insert trollface.jpg?

Nah actually I'm seriously not trolling.

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we all know his personality since the FAZZ-Arios incident
Rofl, you seem to be missing the Destiny one.

Not my fault I do my own research =/.

Btw just something I picked up back there.

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Your calculation is off btw. you failed to take into account the following

1. you already take damage before you purge
2. you have lower hp because purge mode is like that for alva
Apparently my calc is off. But probably not the way you think.

Alvatore
HP 12000
Shields 7000/80
7000/8 x 10 = 8750
When 8750 damage is dealt, 7000 goes towards shields, 1750 goes towards HP

SHIELD BROKEN
HP 12000 - 1750 = 10250.

PURGE INTO ALVAARON
HP 10250
Shields 5000/70
5000/7 x 10 = 7143 rounded nearest whole number.
When 7143 damage is dealt to Alvaaron, 5000 goes towards shields, 2142 goes to HP.

SHIELD BROKEN
HP 10250 - 2142 = 8108

DAMAGE TAKEN + HP REMAINING = 8108 + 7143 = 15251

EDIT : Want to point out something real cool here.
Alvaaron's damage capacity + damage taken as Alvatore = 15251 + 8750 = 24001

It actually takes 24k damage to kill! Without spec.

CONCLUSION:
My previous 13k was wrong. Its actually 15k. Alvaaron is basically a new suit if not for spec-vulnerability.

And I don't think purging lowers your HP does it?
HP for both Alvaaron and Alvatore is 12000, listed on sdgundam.cn

And what parts of the calc am I missing?

And yea shields take crit. You can hit GUARDs against people with sniper's crit.

As for everything else...
SSNW vs Alva : Player skill dependant.
Critting Alva : Player skill dependant.

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And what are YOUR great contributions to this argument?

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and isn`t that def stat based when it still has its GN Field on ?
No? There isn't anything that suggests its DEF would decrease when GN field goes off. There is no value recorded, no tests recorded, just speculation.

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