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This is about my 3rd week or so playing this game so I'm still pretty bad. Got a couple of melee questions though.

I've been playing a lot of B Sandrock and I have a problem with a few things.

1) Mobile armors give me a lot of trouble. Stuff like that red crab thing(Val Varo), GP03, Nue Ziel (SP?) etc. Am I just supposed to leave these guys alone and let some ranged on my team deal with them?

2) Sword Strike and God (sometimes nobel and that pink color A or S rock with wings and 1 cannon on each shoulder) give me some trouble as well. Sometimes when I fight one of these we boost in circles around each other to look for an opening but I either attack too early or my boost runs out and he gets me. How do you guys usually deal with this? Should I just avoid meleeing against these suits?

3) Sometimes even when I catch someone with my melee they boost up and escape after only 1-2 hits. Is this is just Sandrock's melee hits being too slow? Or am I doing something wrong?

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1)Why the hell are you meleeing something with no flinch

2)Why the hell are you meleeing god, and sword strike has a long melee range

3)Lag
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1st) You DON'T melee a MA. It's very bad and they don't flinch only when they have low hp. :Cough: CMX...

2nd) Avoid melee go with ranged. Unless you know MCA or SS. (They probably use MCA...)

3rd) It's lag.

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So are there any other suits I should avoid melee against, besides God, Sword Strike, Nobel?
 
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DSH unless your positive you can take it down. Just avoid fighting high-tier melee suits until you can melee good. Oh if your using a rock NEVER MELEE an F91 unless your confident about killing it.
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DSH unless your positive you can take it down. Just avoid fighting high-tier melee suits until you can melee good. Oh if your using a rock NEVER MELEE an F91 unless your confident about killing it.
You forgot Red Frame Powered. The W3 stuns.

Rule 1. of melee: If you're not gonna try seriously and don't learn the basic skills, you can forget meleeing.
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You forgot Red Frame Powered. The W3 stuns.

Rule 1. of melee: If you're not gonna try seriously and don't learn the basic skills, you can forget meleeing.
I just MCA around RFP with my F91....Looool.

I'm not scared of that suit.
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Rule 1. of melee: If you're not gonna try seriously and don't learn the basic skills, you can forget meleeing.
I have no problem with trying seriously and learning the basic skills, I've been trying to learn MCA in training mode from that video posted on here somewhere. But you know as I said, it's only my 3rd week in so I'm still pretty terrible.

Actually, as a question 4, whats a good way to get better at melee? How to practice and such?
 
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I just MCA around RFP with my F91....Looool.

I'm not scared of that suit.
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done right, it could take out gods and masters and hell, even MAs
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done right, it could take out gods and masters and hell, even MAs
In the event I see a Red Star with God/SS/SI/RFP ect....

They can say hello to Mr. VSBR.
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1) Sandrock is a perfectly good against MAs. Use your homings and annoy them. Otherwise, go for the other suits on the enemy team.

2) You can outmelee a Swordstrike or God (before hyper) but its hard unless the opponent doesnt know about SS (almost everyone does, not sure about noob channel).
2.1) Learn to SS. Also, after learning to SS, u can manipulate weapon 1 melee dash to gain more boost and attempt an opening strike without losing boost. This lets u conserve more boost than ppl think :>

3) Yea, it lags but with SS u can still follow up sometimes, just have to cancel ur slash. Most of the time I can only get 2 more swings in but better pros can do mid air MCAs and gain the whole melee string.

4) Refrain from using noob suits like God, RFP, DSH, Nobel (hyper and non hyper). These are stupid for training using a rock. Sword Strike may be a nice starting suit since its the easiest to use.

However, Sandrock is still one of the best suits to learn melee with and learning how to balance missiles + melee is important too.


As for Learning how to MCA and SS, I remember Ryu posting something about it in his profile. You could check that out.
But a major learning break for me was when a clanmate told me that tapping 2/3 + w twice to cancel is easier than pressing 2/3 and w separately.

I personally MCA/SS with weapon 3 but most of the others use 2. Learning how to switch with 2 is probably better too since some suits dont have a weapon 3 to cancel with.
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1) Sandrock is a perfectly good against MAs. Use your homings and annoy them. Otherwise, go for the other suits on the enemy team.

2) You can outmelee a Swordstrike or God (before hyper) but its hard unless the opponent doesnt know about SS (almost everyone does, not sure about noob channel).
2.1) Learn to SS. Also, after learning to SS, u can manipulate weapon 1 melee dash to gain more boost and attempt an opening strike without losing boost. This lets u conserve more boost than ppl think :>

3) Yea, it lags but with SS u can still follow up sometimes, just have to cancel ur slash. Most of the time I can only get 2 more swings in but better pros can do mid air MCAs and gain the whole melee string.

4) Refrain from using noob suits like God, RFP, DSH, Nobel (hyper and non hyper). These are stupid for training using a rock. Sword Strike may be a nice starting suit since its the easiest to use.

However, Sandrock is still one of the best suits to learn melee with and learning how to balance missiles + melee is important too.


As for Learning how to MCA and SS, I remember Ryu posting something about it in his profile. You could check that out.
But a major learning break for me was when a clanmate told me that tapping 2/3 + w twice to cancel is easier than pressing 2/3 and w separately.

I personally MCA/SS with weapon 3 but most of the others use 2. Learning how to switch with 2 is probably better too since some suits dont have a weapon 3 to cancel with.

Awesome, a lot of good info here thanks. But when you say tapping 2/3 + w twice to cancel do you mean hitting 2 and w at the same time? What I have been trying is tap 2, tap w twice, tap 1, left click. Is there a better way?
 
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MCA makes a big difference in battles...See this video.



This is how to MCA.



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i only do the same as that losing guy ... repeated swooping down from mid-air
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4) Refrain from using noob suits like God, RFP, DSH, Nobel (hyper and non hyper). These are stupid for training using a rock. Sword Strike may be a nice starting suit since its the easiest to use.
Why is Berserk Nobel noob when it does not dash cancel? D:
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I melee MA's and antiflinch all the time.
You should melee them when they less expect you to melee them. Also, melee when they are near death. Easy kills. :>
 
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yea hit 2 AND w at the same time twice. This will change weapons and dash.
I choose to hit 3 and w though cause my hands are fats and they dont like 2 :<

@Nek0 cause a lot of nobels rely on weapon 3 (not saying its wrong) and thats way too easy to catch/chase. Also you have to train nobel for beserk nobel :<
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having good melee skill is like an art to me
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Awesome, a lot of good info here thanks. But when you say tapping 2/3 + w twice to cancel do you mean hitting 2 and w at the same time? What I have been trying is tap 2, tap w twice, tap 1, left click. Is there a better way?
There is, use mouse wheel to change to 1 faster and left click at the same time
 
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There is, use mouse wheel to change to 1 faster and left click at the same time
no offence but screw the mouse wheel, it does no good. best way to train is with a 5 hit melee, basic rock(no anti-flinch, not pure melee, 1 or 2 melee weaps + 1 or 2 ranged weaps)
 

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