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Ok, I am really tired of the flamers about how people here love to dive, how people don't have skill etc.

Seriously, lets settle this in a simple friendly match.

This is just a simple match to show that we do play and can play seriously.

If we satisfy the condition. STOP all meaningless talks about dive on both sides. No more how people can't play etc. No more just dive more for $ watever. Just STOP the intentional insults. We are free to do what we normally do and you do whatever you like to do, but no insults at all after the point of the match.

If you would like to make statements about other players on TW. Sure go ahead. BUT not on our forum.

If you would like to say how good it is on Korean version. Go ahead, BUT not on our forum.

Lets make the condition simple. Since you seems all professionals and many players on KR do. We however do not possess the exact some advantage as those that does. The condition will be if we win or destroy over 2/3 of the HP bar in a 4v4 deathmatch. Its consider we won. We proved to you that we MMOG players here have skills.

The end. So no more bashing.

Condition of time, date is not yet determine and will be decided. Once people get their idea in.

Again no flaming. Just either you play or not.

Are you Game?

If your are not up for it then stop all insults NOW.

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Lets make the condition simple. Since you seems all professionals and many players on KR do. We however do not possess the exact some advantage as those that does. The condition will be if we win or destroy over 2/3 of the HP bar in a 4v4 deathmatch. Its consider we won. We proved to you that we MMOG players here have skills.
So you want to have a handicap for your side which is roughly killing off the first life of all four and destroying one entirely depending on if they use A ranks or not. Tad unfair for a "friendly" match don't you think?

Random Scenario: Your team has one guy left, he scores a lucky kill and takes them to 2/3 or a tad lower. By the second condition that means you won even though they still have 2-4 still alive.

If you want to be taken seriously I would suggest taking out the second win condition.
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or all C rank only...
 
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or all C rank only...
Or just a simple best two out of three 4v4 death match with out trying to complicate it seeing as your side already has the advantage of the other team not having access to their main suits.
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Ok, that can do it as well..
 
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Well the conditions are set in a way that I would consider fair in the matter that skill difference on KR and TW. Considering the amount of time KR had been established, the skill and time earn there. Significantly different from TW. TW hasn't been around for more than 1/2 a year. The KR already been out since 2007. Time and skills creates a huge advantage for players that play there. Such as certain abilities like MCA, New MCA, Crits from the frontal, other many tricks that only pass along in KR.

Mainly because a really skilled KR player can go into many beginner channel and massacre in any deathmatch and still remain alive while the entire team gets slaughter just by 1 single person. Its really hard to account for the time different and the Advantage of Time.

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They can set a "fair" condition that will make it fair for the "time difference"+"Exp" difference in KR

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If they are good and we aren't then obvious they won't lose the 2/3 of life right? Stop making them sound so weak and get hit by these "lucky shot".
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Well the conditions are set in a way that I would consider fair in the matter that skill difference on KR and TW. Considering the amount of time KR had been established, the skill and time earn there. Significantly different from TW. TW hasn't been around for more than 1/2 a year. The KR already been out since 2007. Time and skills creates a huge advantage for players that play there. Such as certain abilities like MCA, New MCA, Crits from the frontal, other many tricks that only pass along in KR.

Mainly because a really skilled KR player can go into many beginner channel and massacre in any deathmatch and still remain alive while the entire team gets slaughter just by 1 single person. Its really hard to account for the time different and the Advantage of Time.

Or

They can set a "fair" condition that will make it fair for the "time difference"+"Exp" difference in KR

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If they are good and we aren't then obvious they won't lose the 2/3 of life right? Stop making them sound so weak and get hit by these "lucky shot".
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Ok, I am really tired of the flamers about how people here love to dive, how people don't have skill etc.

Seriously, lets settle this in a simple friendly match.

This is just a simple match to show that we do play and can play seriously.

If we satisfy the condition. STOP all meaningless talks about dive on both sides. No more how people can't play etc. No more just dive more for $ watever. Just STOP the intentional insults. We are free to do what we normally do and you do whatever you like to do, but no insults at all after the point of the match.

If you would like to make statements about other players on TW. Sure go ahead. BUT not on our forum.

If you would like to say how good it is on Korean version. Go ahead, BUT not on our forum.

Lets make the condition simple. Since you seems all professionals and many players on KR do. We however do not possess the exact some advantage as those that does. The condition will be if we win or destroy over 2/3 of the HP bar in a 4v4 deathmatch. Its consider we won. We proved to you that we MMOG players here have skills.

The end. So no more bashing.

Condition of time, date is not yet determine and will be decided. Once people get their idea in.

Again no flaming. Just either you play or not.

Are you Game?

If your are not up for it then stop all insults NOW.

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You refers to those that had been bashing here and want to prove they are better etc. Also anyone want to make a point.
I bolded the important parts. You want to prove that you can play seriously, and that TW players have skill yet want a handicap advantage. Winning due to a handicap does not make you skilled, and does not mean you play seriously. It means that you require the odds to be stacked, much like when grifters hussle people with card games and cup games. Even if they took you seriously your game would prove nothing with that rule set. Claiming you need them due to them playing longer is a poor excuse like blaming lag in a game where everyone lags. You already get an advantage of them not being able to use their main suits but you want more to make sure you win. That Weis, is not fair and you know it. What more do you want to add on top of that? Your team gets 2 Psychos and 2 Aps while the others have to use C ranks? They can only use their mice? A best two out of three or even to appease you a best four out of seven is the only real way to settle something seeing as it would be on TW.

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Mainly because a really skilled KR player can go into many beginner channel and massacre in any deathmatch and still remain alive while the entire team gets slaughter just by 1 single person. Its really hard to account for the time different and the Advantage of Time.
Guess what any player can do that, they don't even have to be skilled or be from KSDGO.
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lets have some 4 on 4 random machine games

is it fair then?
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I bolded the important parts. You want to prove that you can play seriously, and that TW players have skill yet want a handicap advantage. Winning due to a handicap does not make you skilled, and does not mean you play seriously. It means that you require the odds to be stacked, much like when grifters hussle people with card games and cup games. Even if they took you seriously your game would prove nothing with that rule set. Claiming you need them due to them playing longer is a poor excuse like blaming lag in a game where everyone lags. You already get an advantage of them not being able to use their main suits but you want more to make sure you win. That Weis, is not fair and you know it. What more do you want to add on top of that? Your team gets 2 Psychos and 2 Aps while the others have to use C ranks? They can only use their mice? A best two out of three or even to appease you a best four out of seven is the only real way to settle something seeing as it would be on TW.
Point 1: Metty are you playing?
Point 2: Are we speaking that we are any better than them? We are simply saying we can play. And we will show that we have skills besides diving like people just stand there and jump off.

The point here is that they keep sayin people dive and can't play at all. We are saying even some dive, we still will play and we will be able to kill more than 2/3 of their life bar. How is that bad?

If those that keep diving. Like Seim had posted once in a point match. 15 V 1XX

Point 3: If they can't use S rank, we can't either. If their Main MS isn't here. And they can't play other MS... Then what kind of statement is that? We can't use the same "main MS" they have either. It is a limitation impose by the game company that everyone can be on even terms.

Point 4: So your saying that they will lose if they use C ranks? If that is the case, we all use C rank to match that. If they do not have an ACC here and has to create one.

Or just do the usual tornament rule. total of 12 points for the entire team.
A rank = 4 pts. B = 3, C = 2. The total cannot exceed 12.

But i guess 4/7 isn't so bad either on total matches.

Like I said, we are only proving we can play well. NOT WIN like PROs. That is not the point of this match setup. If they want an condition that can be agree upon.

We are fine with that. Just post it up.

Also who will be playing.


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Guess what any player can do that, they don't even have to be skilled or be from KSDGO.[/
Lastly, NOT anyone can do it. Some players are better suited than others. I'll go in and I can't because I just stand there. So does that basically disprove your last statement?
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lets have some 4 on 4 random machine games

is it fair then?
Random machine is also random mode and generally does point games which proves nothing. Weissritter wants to prove those on TW are skilled but wants advantages with the poor excuse of "K has been out longer". But then I'm not surprised that hes not being taken seriously with his rules seeing as they are not fair. It saddens me to see it come to the point that challenges with unjust rules are issues in a vain attempt to try to secure the win for one side that already gets the disadvantage of not being able to use their normal suits as I doubt he would be willing to do it on KSDGO. Even if it was a trainee suit only game it would still probably require bullshit rules that give one side an advantage over the other.

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Point 1: Metty are you playing?
Point 2: Are we speaking that we are any better than them? We are simply saying we can play. And we will show that we have skills besides diving like people just stand there and jump off.

The point here is that they keep sayin people dive and can't play at all. We are saying even some dive, we still will play and we will be able to kill more than 2/3 of their life bar. How is that bad?

If those that keep diving. Like Seim had posted once in a point match. 15 V 1XX

Point 3: If they can't use S rank, we can't either. If their Main MS isn't here. And they can't play other MS... Then what kind of statement is that? We can't use the same "main MS" they have either. It is a limitation impose by the game company that everyone can be on even terms.

Point 4: So your saying that they will lose if they use C ranks? If that is the case, we all use C rank to match that. If they do not have an ACC here and has to create one.

Or just do the usual tornament rule. total of 12 points for the entire team.
A rank = 4 pts. B = 3, C = 2. The total cannot exceed 12.

But i guess 4/7 isn't so bad either on total matches.

Like I said, we are only proving we can play well. NOT WIN like PROs. That is not the point of this match setup. If they want an condition that can be agree upon.

We are fine with that. Just post it up.

Also who will be playing.



Lastly, NOT anyone can do it. Some players are better suited than others. I'll go in and I can't because I just stand there. So does that basically disprove your last statement?
I'm just pointing out the flaws in your "friendly fair" game. And now I'm going to play your card of "k has been out longer". Their main suits might be something like Deathscythe, Shenlong, etc. both of which have no similar counterpart on TW and play differently from any suit on TW since "k has been out longer" they will have grown use to their suits and possibly not touched other suits in "years"(read: months). Again, just pointing out flaws in your "fair and just" challenge.

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Lastly, NOT anyone can do it. Some players are better suited than others. I'll go in and I can't because I just stand there. So does that basically disprove your last statement?
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please don't think metty represents all players. let me say one thing. in terms of skills, it means being an asset to the team. 1v1 doesn't prove much except one thing, you can take care of yourself against 1 player.

this is a 4v4 co-op game. if you want to prove your skills, try to display better support for your team. try to work with the team; maximize your damage; reduce the damage done to your teammates and etc. using a weaker MS/MA to help your team to win is a best display of skills.

it is true that the players who played on korean sdgo are more experienced, but if you are truly good at something you can overcome experience with good teamwork and skills. please don't throw up 1v1 matches because it is naive to see the game this way.

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i would suggest that you guys should ignore metty.

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Thank you curry.

Again we would like a match, if you find the condition extremely unfair, then we will work out a time and a workable condition.

Fine?

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Your trying to show some points. Thank you for your answer since your part of the match. I suggest you work out something with the team
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a match would be nice, but i think the direction you guys are heading is wrong. you should use matches like these to gauge your own skills not to prove you are better or good enough.

i personally don't suggest diving games, spend more time playing actual matches and you can learn/improve more. that's where you increase your experience. diving games are a slower way to improve yourself.

i have played in taiwan expert server with higher ranked players. i wouldn't say they are bad, but some of their actions doesn't seem appropriate when you relate it to their rank.

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yes, but the usage of your words should be reconsidered. yes i know some people are unbelievably lazy (not finding answers themselves), have lower abilities compare to others and believe they are always right. sometimes they can be annoying and cause facepalms and rage. i would like people to find the answers for themselves and run trial and errors before posting.

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Ok curry, so if this isn't appropriate, then could you please inform those that keep bashing here to stop?

It is seriously getting out of hand and insults the community here as well as many member here.

If they refuse then let them have a match with us as not everyone dives and can't play. It is just that simple.

Its the same game, we all play it. I still can't understand why we keep getting these insult from people that plays the K ver as oppose to the TW ver.
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Can't we just have a match with no strings attached? :s

I was actually very interested when i first saw the title of this thread, but the more i read, the less I am interested in it = =
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I was actually very interested when i first saw the title of this thread, but the more i read, the less I am interested in it = =
Mc we can have matches all we want, but this one is something for the bashing people.
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The problem lies in winning.

If 1 side wants to prove they don't suck shit, then they can do just that. "Winning" doesn't prove you don't suck shit. You just need to play at a certain level. If 2 teams of "noobs" played each other, regardless of the outcome, both teams are still "noob". If 2 teams of pros played each other, regardless of the outcome, both teams are still "pro". Winning just proves that your team is better than the other team.

So do just that. Play the match, and depending on how well one team did against the other determine the skill level. Assuming team A is pro... If it was a crushing defeat for B, A has a full bar left, you could consider B beginner or "noob". If they chipped off 25%, they're decent. 50%, good. 75%, very good, probably near on par. If they won, really good pros (Depending on the margin of win.)?

In any case, you need to have an idea of what type of playing is "pro" or good, then compare it to yourself or others.
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i personally don't suggest diving games, spend more time playing actual matches and you can learn/improve more. that's where you increase your experience. diving games are a slower way to improve yourself.
Diving games are no way to improve yourself at all.

Also, I've added some people from this forum on my playlist and one person almost constantly does either diving games or missions. I've seen only 2 occasions where that person has been playing neither of those two mentioned above. Sure, you can play how you want. But what good is grinding your suits and getting new suits if you hardly even play them in real matches?

(Also, I'd play against any of you MMOG people, but I don't know who else would. But if anyone wants 1v1, I'll gladly accept the challenge)
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