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Yes.. boost upward,
Ha i think i need a decent melee pap ms, couse that lil Zetarailgun... D= dunno his melee is kind crapy,
Do you have any papper ms with nice melee in mind?
neko told me that i should practice with a rank c~b, but dunno wich ms Haha
As Rock i was thinking kaempfer
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It depends largely on your favourite playing style. I personally love zooks, and you can hear me yapping about them most of the time.

Tell us your favourite weapon or style, and then we can do some recommendations.
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It depends largely on your favourite playing style. I personally love zooks, and you can hear me yapping about them most of the time.

Tell us your favourite weapon or style, and then we can do some recommendations.
Uhm..
If you allow me not to lie, i really really love long range weapons
i like to turtle like a lil cowardy robot..!
(but, its how i said.. I dont want to be able just to do it, just to do turtle thing... i think i have to improve my melee skills too, don't? If i don't, ill become jsut a leecher, that would suc)
About weapon,, i like Laser beam! haha, i dont like machine, neither zooka (sorry neko, i just suck with zooka, i'll not even try to improve)
Ha, when i was playing as Zeta, i found his knockdown-med/long-range beam really funny, hahah not a good weapon exatly, but really² funny
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Paper Zeta is a terrible unit tbh. I think it would be wise to focus on something else.
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Paper Zeta is a terrible unit tbh. I think it would be wise to focus on something else.
Any non S rank up to Gacha 30 that can match it in terms of attack, ammo, and speed?
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Any non S rank up to Gacha 30 that can match it in terms of attack, ammo, and speed?
Calamity
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Duel AR
Buster

All superior.
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Calamity
Perfect
Duel AR
Buster

All superior.
If I remember correctly, Duel, Pefect, Buster all are sniper units. And Calamity being a hard paper, Most of their W2 is the same amount as Z, but lacks additional shoots from MA mode which Z has.

On ammo, I doubt any on your list can match Z in terms of Ammo...

On their Attack and Speed from the graph.

Zeta
Att: 17.7
Speed : 21.3
MA: Beamrifle 15
Beamrifle 12
Hyper Megalauncher 1


Buster
Att: 19.8
Speed : 20.7
High-Energy Beamrifle 9 Shoots
Snipe 1 Shoot


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Att : 16.8
Speed : 21.3
Double-Barreled Hand Beamgun 12
360mm rocketlauncher 1


Duel AS
Att: 16.8
Speed : 22.2
High-Energy Beamrifle 11
"Shiva" 115mm Railgun 1


Calamity
ATT: 15.3
Speed: 21.3
Kaefer Zwei Dual-Cannon 11
Todesblock Bazooka 5

In terms of Ammo, Buster is on the bottom of the food chain despite it having the highest ATT, Buster also has lower speed than Zeta. Then Zeta comes second in terms of ATT.

In terms of Speed, Duel AR has highest But lower than zeta on basic attacks, then Zeta comes 2nd.

Discounting Units Skills in the equation, and considering a 1v1 stand still shoot out, Anyway you look at it, the suit you mentioned aren't very appealing.

Of course if your arguing how teams, play style all that junk in the equation, then there is no chat. GG

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If I remember correctly, Duel, Pefect, Buster all are sniper units. And Calamity being a hard paper
And? Zeta has a long range beam. It's just not as good as a sniper. Still long range. Still knocks down. Not my fault it's weak and doesn't zoom.

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Most of their W2 is the same amount as Z, but lacks additional shoots from MA mode which Z has.
And? MA mode is not that great on paper Zeta.

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On ammo, I doubt any on your list can match Z in terms of Ammo...
Everything in waverider mode is basically of less use for an unit like this. Zeta has a lot of ammo on weak weaponry, and a useless waverider beamrifle. The other units have plenty of ammo on their weaponry, without having too much of it.

I don't really reckon having a ton of ammo on a garbage MS is better than having plenty ammo on a good MS.

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Zeta
Att: 17.7
Speed : 21.3
MA: Beamrifle 15
Beamrifle 12
Hyper Megalauncher 1


Buster
Att: 19.8
Speed : 20.7
High-Energy Beamrifle 9 Shoots
Snipe 1 Shoot


Perfect
Att : 16.8
Speed : 21.3
Double-Barreled Hand Beamgun 12
360mm rocketlauncher 1


Duel AS
Att: 16.8
Speed : 22.2
High-Energy Beamrifle 11
"Shiva" 115mm Railgun 1


Calamity
ATT: 15.3
Speed: 21.3
Kaefer Zwei Dual-Cannon 11
Todesblock Bazooka 5
Attack stat is never a truly valid argument. Weapons differ in that not every weapon benefits from the attack stat equally. This is even the case in beamrifles between similar units.

I appreciate you doing research and all, but you really need game experience added with these stats, or they're still useless numbers.

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In terms of Ammo, Buster is on the bottom of the food chain despite it having the highest ATT, Buster also has lower speed than Zeta. Then Zeta comes second in terms of ATT.

In terms of Speed, Duel AR has highest But lower than zeta on basic attacks, then Zeta comes 2nd.
Speed on a long range paper. Oh heavens, what will we do with a few points less? Most of these units have a speedstat equal to that of the Zeta.

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Discounting Units Skills in the equation, and considering a 1v1 stand still shoot out, Anyway you look at it, the suit you mentioned aren't very appealing.
You are claiming that... those paper units I mentioned, which are some of the best paper A ranks, are not appealing? Yet you defend paper Zeta? I'm just going to look back on all of this tomorrow. It's like my eyes are reading it, but my mind refuses to accept it. You can't be serious.

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Of course if your arguing how teams, play style all that junk in the equation, then there is no chat. GG
I don't really understand this sentence. Why are you saying GG? I guess you gave up? Normally I have to *****slap people in starcraft for it, but you do it willingly on fora. Oh, I almost forgot; no re.
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Well I agree those MS you mentioned are great MS.

In certain game play they will excel zeta.

But I didn't ask for gameplay. I specifically mentioned in terms of attack, Speed, and ammo.

I didn't ask for game experience to begin with. I ask for those 3 stats if you would re-read my post again. Which is why I said, if you start talking about game experience and what not. Then GG. It goes to the opinion page and no need to continue as it is all in the mind.
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Yes, i could just do that too, but..Don't they follow you after the movement?





Uhm..
If you allow me not to lie, i really really love long range weapons
i like to turtle like a lil cowardy robot..!
(but, its how i said.. I dont want to be able just to do it, just to do turtle thing... i think i have to improve my melee skills too, don't? If i don't, ill become jsut a leecher, that would suc)
About weapon,, i like Laser beam! haha, i dont like machine, neither zooka (sorry neko, i just suck with zooka, i'll not even try to improve)
Ha, when i was playing as Zeta, i found his knockdown-med/long-range beam really funny, hahah not a good weapon exatly, but really² funny
I don't think there are any rocks with knockdown beams, so...

I suggest you gacha a Wing and try it out. 3x long range beam rifle in MS mode, 1x knockdown beam in MA mode.

And chill, Tanja and Wei. =/
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aw..
stop doing it..
stop arguing in that offensive way, this look so sad ..

why can't we just talk like friends?
we could still discuss ideas and point of views , keep fighting will just make our diferent ideas, even more conflitant..
its impossible to convince anyone about our point of view arguing like this..


Please gentlemen,,
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nono, i mentioned zeta beam for nothing..
hah xD

dunno neko, i like wing but, i think that i'll just learn movements and melee if i get a rock, in the case how i still love longrange, maybe a rock w/beam? xD
what do you think? do rock's beam at least ok? or machinG and zooks are better?
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nono, i mentioned zeta beam for nothing..
hah xD

dunno neko, i like wing but, i think that i'll just learn movements and melee if i get a rock, in the case how i still love longrange, maybe a rock w/beam? xD
what do you think? do rock's beam at least ok? or machinG and zooks are better?
Well, Sword Zeta is currently one of the best rocks with a beam rifle in TW currently...

There are a lot lesser rocks with zooks though... I suggest you start off with Blue Frame if you wanna practice a zook unit.
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oh freakz, i'm sorry but, you shouldn't do that xD
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Well, Sword Zeta is currently one of the best rocks with a beam rifle in TW currently...

There are a lot lesser rocks with zooks though... I suggest you start off with Blue Frame if you wanna practice a zook unit.
Uhm, blue frame then?
ok, thank you i'll check it out ^^
iwas also thinking of redframe and kaempf for melee training, what do you think?
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ok, thank you i'll check it out ^^
iwas also thinking of redframe and kaempf for melee training, what do you think?
For melee, you can start with red frame first, since it has range.

After you get the hang of meleeing, Kampf will be a good choice for comboing.
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After you get the hang of meleeing, Kampf will be a good choice for comboing.
ohh, ok.
i should do it then ^^
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I turned it into 2nd already my main b rank blue frame isnt bad I quite like it....just it has low boost and scissors like wing zero crush it
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