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I'll go check application right now, well, between death matches

btw the practice was filled really quickly =X

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I wholeheartedly agree.

In pubs, there is no such thing as teamwork and stuff. Pubs are a proof you can stand up on your own.
Well, there is. Depends on the players you're playing against/with. Higher-ranked players in here has epic teamwork. They move as one, taking out the opposition in the shortest time possible. Sure there is the matter of individual skill, but teamwork is more of knowing your role and performing it properly rather than solo rushing like a boss.

I doubt one person with skill can survive an attack from 3 people with equal or greater skill. I've played more than enough games to know that even legit red stars can fall against a group of diamonds that know how to work together. Same goes for blue badges/red stars that work in organized teams to stomp strong opponents.

Random team deathmatch works wonders.
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That's not really teamwork if you rely on one man working everything, that's called carrying a game.

Pubs: Either you do shit yourself and hope that everyone else know what they're doing, or you lose

Legit blue stars here don't work together, they diminish people with their sheer skill.

There is a difference between "teamwork" and "multiple people doing what they usually do and kill stupider players". In pubs, you don't "work together". You only have yourself to worry about.
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That's not really teamwork if you rely on one man working everything, that's called carrying a game.

There is a difference between "teamwork" and "multiple people doing what they usually do and kill stupider players". In pubs, you don't "work together". You only have yourself to worry about.
I did not say anything about one person carrying the game. And lol at your definition of "not teamwork", it's the same thing. It also applies to "multiple people doing what they usually do and kill skilled players because they are awesome as fk".

Maybe the mindset of players differ in HK and TW. In HK, teamwork is a priority among players. Cover for each other otherwise you'll be fighting a solo game later on.

No matter what you say, "not working together" and "worrying only about yourself" is a flawed idea. People need to worry not only themselves, but their team mates as well. There is greater strength in solid numbers, and not just your individual edge.

I would post more but I'll just leave it at that. You know how it is with us. I've shared my words, so I'm done here.
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That's not really teamwork if you rely on one man working everything, that's called carrying a game.

Pubs: Either you do shit yourself and hope that everyone else know what they're doing, or you lose

Legit blue stars here don't work together, they diminish people with their sheer skill.

There is a difference between "teamwork" and "multiple people doing what they usually do and kill stupider players". In pubs, you don't "work together". You only have yourself to worry about.
You talking about yourself? Self compliment much?

Anywho, say you have 1 good guy and 3 dumbasses. Shouldn't the 3 dumbass help the good guy? You can't let the good guy solo by himself. No matter how good one person is, he won't win against 4 other guys.

So what do you do? Work together. You play pubs, you adapt to different people's playstyles.
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I'm a three bar. I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about other monsters. Just like how a lone Sword Calamity today went from alone to winning. Against 4 people, including me, some with 2 lives. Don't be a ***got and jump to conclusions about who I'm talking about. Even I'm talking about "legit", my old account isn't a legit blue star as I dived here and there in a minority of my matches.

"The 3 dumbasses SHOULD do x". But the fact is, they don't do it.

I play pubs, I don't adapt myself. I just play how I do. I kill because I want to. It isn't exactly easy to sync with people I can't even talk to or not knowing what they're doing in the first place.

Yes, of course people need to look after each other. But pubs, people don't do that. Of course there's strength in numbers. Tell me, how the **** do you cover for someone if they go alone into the wild, trying to be a hero and fighting the whole enemy team themselves? It'll be fine if they can escape, with a kill or two, but that's usually not the case.

When I can't help people, its best I start helping myself first and do shit. If I die, then I'm already a deadweight. My only concern every game is to help myself and survive. Only by surviving I can do something about the team.

Miracles happen sometimes. People can do something out of the blue if they do it hard enough. That includes winning even if they're outnumbered. Quality > Quantity.
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Maybe the mindset of players differ in HK and TW. In HK, teamwork is a priority among players. Cover for each other otherwise you'll be fighting a solo game later on.

The mindset of good players in HK or TW are generally the same. The only difference is TW players will have the tendency to put their pride and skills(which normally is their melee skill) before team play in pubs. Which is sad, really.
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Yes, of course people need to look after each other. But pubs, people don't do that. Of course there's strength in numbers. Tell me, how the **** do you cover for someone if they go alone into the wild, trying to be a hero and fighting the whole enemy team themselves? It'll be fine if they can escape, with a kill or two, but that's usually not the case.
I do that sometimes when I feel like Chuck Norris haha.

I dunno lol. How often does miracles happen? I wouldn't count on it. I would much rather save my team mate than flee because I need to survive. In fact, we all need to survive. If the situation permits it, try and save your team mate. It's less frustrating that way. Flee when there's absolutely NOTHING you can do to save someone.

I'm talking about the probable, not miracles. We all try hard enough here, there's no doubt about that.

Quality in numbers > Solo Quality > Quantity > No Quality at all

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Yes, that's of course the best. Quality and Quantity together is the perfect combination.

I only save someone if:
1. It doesn't endanger me
2. Its a good trade-off (2 people or 3 for the price of 1)
3. The mate I'm saving will survive after me saving him, its useless to save someone just to prolong the inevitable

I don't like to be a realist. Probability can suck my balls. I'm a pirate, I take it all. I always bet even if the chances are 0.001%. I'll do whatever I can think to screw probability back to savage times.
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Yes, that's of course the best. Quality and Quantity together is the perfect combination.

I only save someone if:
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2. Its a good trade-off (2 people or 3 for the price of 1)
3. The mate I'm saving will survive after me saving him, its useless to save someone just to prolong the inevitable

I don't like to be a realist. Probability can suck my balls. I'm a pirate, I take it all. I always bet even if the chances are 0.001%. I'll do whatever I can think to screw probability back to savage times.
Other than being a pirate, those things that you mentioned are the very foundations of teamwork that I am talking about.

I'm glad we had this talk, and now I must continue my writing.

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Yes, that's of course the best. Quality and Quantity together is the perfect combination.

I only save someone if:
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3. The mate I'm saving will survive after me saving him, its useless to save someone just to prolong the inevitable

I don't like to be a realist. Probability can suck my balls. I'm a pirate, I take it all. I always bet even if the chances are 0.001%. I'll do whatever I can think to screw probability back to savage times.
I hate how in KR I try to save my teammate and he uses tele just so nicely so that I die. (was you today leongz, amazing tele which cost me a life)
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Other than being a pirate, those things that you mentioned are the very foundations of teamwork that I am talking about.

I'm glad we had this talk, and now I must continue my writing.

Synergy people, stay cool. You can overcome anything if you put your minds into it.
This, I have to disagree until they realize Ao set it as a competitive clan, and not purely social

Also, I don't look for teamwork in those I mentioned, only anything that profits me
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In KR, always expect everyone is packing a teleport. Pretty sure I told this to everyone before.
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