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awesome melee, incredible boost and speed, effective mid-long range weaps with beam zook, strong ballistics, high attack power

also, VSBR could be argued as a pseudoflashlight =/



according to KR I have..

2 unrecyclable trash (Justice, F91)
2 very weak (Freedom, 00)
1 Normal (T3)
1 Strong (NT-D)

Funny how NT-D is my least favourite of my S ranks QAQ
awesome melee: kshatriya and stargazer, seravee says hi. i mean, cmon, F91's melee cant even ground sweep

mobility: once again stargazer says hi

effective mid-long range wep with beam zook: once again stargazer says hi with its hax splash w2, and besides, in the S rank meta, beam zooks arent exactly too awesome, especially when you have flashlights without immobility

high attack power: prolly all it has to boast

vsbr: the beam is rather narrow, and tbh, its defenses arent good enough for it to afford immobility on any weapon



and no matter how you put it, survival in this meta is pretty difficult without funnels, flashlights, homings, or some kind of defense system
the more of the mentioned things here you have, the better it is
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Whoa ... Cherudim`s up there ? IT MUST BE BETTER THAN I THOUGHT . And wow .... NTD too , glad to know XD . I think this list makes sense ....... and wow ...... I need to learn how to play SF properly ....... Ok ..... I am mixing him ..... its as good as NTD 8D .... Wait or is it on the higher rank ?
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awesome melee: kshatriya and stargazer, seravee says hi. i mean, cmon, F91's melee cant even ground sweep

mobility: once again stargazer says hi

effective mid-long range wep with beam zook: once again stargazer says hi with its hax splash w2, and besides, in the S rank meta, beam zooks arent exactly too awesome, especially when you have flashlights without immobility

high attack power: prolly all it has to boast

vsbr: the beam is rather narrow, and tbh, its defenses arent good enough for it to afford immobility on any weapon



and no matter how you put it, survival in this meta is pretty difficult without funnels, flashlights, homings, or some kind of defense system
the more of the mentioned things here you have, the better it is
Agreed. But F91 is still one of my favorite ms
 
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awesome melee: kshatriya and stargazer, seravee says hi. i mean, cmon, F91's melee cant even ground sweep

mobility: once again stargazer says hi

effective mid-long range wep with beam zook: once again stargazer says hi with its hax splash w2, and besides, in the S rank meta, beam zooks arent exactly too awesome, especially when you have flashlights without immobility

high attack power: prolly all it has to boast

vsbr: the beam is rather narrow, and tbh, its defenses arent good enough for it to afford immobility on any weapon



and no matter how you put it, survival in this meta is pretty difficult without funnels, flashlights, homings, or some kind of defense system
the more of the mentioned things here you have, the better it is
None of the other 3 papers have the boost pool to hang with rocks like F91 does until their skills kick in, and imo boost is just as important as the quality of the melee attacks in melee fights. Though they all have better melee attacks than F91, espeically hte latter 2 with w2/w3s.

F91's beam zook outranges Stargazer's W2, though the latter wins obviously in damage and splash
Imo the selling point of F91's beam zook comes not in the raw power but rather in the range (superior to most beam zooks) and generous ammo pool/reload rate which gives F91 a very decent constant source of long range damage. Most flashlights/long range weapons without immobility are rather poor on the ammo count.
Plus Beam zook goes well with F91's large boost pool, you can kite/circle with it like a boss.

Fair enough on the VSBR (though i find it sorta has a "splash hitbox" that makes up for the thinness of the beams) though the immobility is somehwat countered by how quick F91 shoots it.

I'm just curious to how F91 ranks below the likes of say, 00, destiny and freedom.
 
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vsbr, best trolling weapon at the start of the game for me >.>
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Destiny wins over F91, plus Destiny can troll F91 in melee with the melee mode w1 and 2 range. Really, you just w3 2 steps away and it connects and then whack it with w1. The range is roughly 3 steps away so even if the enemy jumps back, its still possible to hit it.

In a range game Destiny (pre-nerf) would win easy with super fast w1, and then KD. The range nerf Destiny would still likely win but minus the comfort of long range KD beam which enables it to change distances before. Anyone that could curve boomerangs would troll F91, switch to melee mode and then kill the paper if it tries to be brave and rush in.

From F91's point of view though, it is basically beam rifle, run, beam rifle, KD, run. Vulcans when enemy has its back turned.
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None of the other 3 papers have the boost pool to hang with rocks like F91 does until their skills kick in, and imo boost is just as important as the quality of the melee attacks in melee fights. Though they all have better melee attacks than F91, espeically hte latter 2 with w2/w3s.

F91's beam zook outranges Stargazer's W2, though the latter wins obviously in damage and splash
Imo the selling point of F91's beam zook comes not in the raw power but rather in the range (superior to most beam zooks) and generous ammo pool/reload rate which gives F91 a very decent constant source of long range damage. Most flashlights/long range weapons without immobility are rather poor on the ammo count.
Plus Beam zook goes well with F91's large boost pool, you can kite/circle with it like a boss.

Fair enough on the VSBR (though i find it sorta has a "splash hitbox" that makes up for the thinness of the beams) though the immobility is somehwat countered by how quick F91 shoots it.

I'm just curious to how F91 ranks below the likes of say, 00, destiny and freedom.
cuz all 3 of them can last longer
but 2 of the 3 are also KO'd by funnels
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But damn Kirov, HK just acquired HWS/Funnel buff and I can now see why HWS is the king of papers. Goddamn Gilgamesh and its Gate of Babylon. I literally won a 3 vs 1 just now because the funnels auto-defend while you safely circle behind cover. The missiles fly faster, has a small splash, and has double ammo.

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My poor poor Legend. ;_;
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Destiny wins over F91, plus Destiny can troll F91 in melee with the melee mode w1 and 2 range. Really, you just w3 2 steps away and it connects and then whack it with w1. The range is roughly 3 steps away so even if the enemy jumps back, its still possible to hit it.

In a range game Destiny (pre-nerf) would win easy with super fast w1, and then KD. The range nerf Destiny would still likely win but minus the comfort of long range KD beam which enables it to change distances before. Anyone that could curve boomerangs would troll F91, switch to melee mode and then kill the paper if it tries to be brave and rush in.

From F91's point of view though, it is basically beam rifle, run, beam rifle, KD, run. Vulcans when enemy has its back turned.
I think any S rank scissors with decent melee can win f91, provided u hv the skills.
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legend really really needs anfunnel relod buff....sometimes it feels like you only have 4 weapons
 
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legend really really needs anfunnel relod buff....sometimes it feels like you only have 4 weapons
Friendly Tip, Never use those funnels.
Legend's role is to be a stun master and having access to all of his stun weaponries.
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Friendly Tip, Never use those funnels.
Legend's role is to be a stun master and having access to all of his stun weaponries.
i know....but if theyd just shorten the reload, we can actually use them and still be able to switch once things heat up right now those dragoons are just for show
 
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i know....but if theyd just shorten the reload, we can actually use them and still be able to switch once things heat up right now those dragoons are just for show
I use the funnels fine with the funnel buff now...
Since I don't need to expose myself anymore.
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None of the other 3 papers have the boost pool to hang with rocks like F91 does until their skills kick in, and imo boost is just as important as the quality of the melee attacks in melee fights. Though they all have better melee attacks than F91, espeically hte latter 2 with w2/w3s.

F91's beam zook outranges Stargazer's W2, though the latter wins obviously in damage and splash
Imo the selling point of F91's beam zook comes not in the raw power but rather in the range (superior to most beam zooks) and generous ammo pool/reload rate which gives F91 a very decent constant source of long range damage. Most flashlights/long range weapons without immobility are rather poor on the ammo count.
Plus Beam zook goes well with F91's large boost pool, you can kite/circle with it like a boss.

Fair enough on the VSBR (though i find it sorta has a "splash hitbox" that makes up for the thinness of the beams) though the immobility is somehwat countered by how quick F91 shoots it.

I'm just curious to how F91 ranks below the likes of say, 00, destiny and freedom.
I think I can safely say Reborns can do a much better job than F91.

Reborns has hard hitting funnels (they really hurt), long range homings on mode 2, large KD beam, natural high damage potential and high as hell mobility.

Only thing that really bothers Reborns is def... Like F91. Also maybe a consistent ballistic weapon.
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I think I can safely say Reborns can do a much better job than F91.

Reborns has hard hitting funnels (they really hurt), long range homings on mode 2, large KD beam, natural high damage potential and high as hell mobility.

Only thing that really bothers Reborns is def... Like F91. Also maybe a consistent ballistic weapon.
But it hits MUCH HARDER.
I mean, funnels that at high OC can KO DSHC at the start of the match....
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I think I can safely say Reborns can do a much better job than F91.

Reborns has hard hitting funnels (they really hurt), long range homings on mode 2, large KD beam, natural high damage potential and high as hell mobility.

Only thing that really bothers Reborns is def... Like F91. Also maybe a consistent ballistic weapon.
homings, flashlight, funnels
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better yet, reborns funnels arent effected by NTD
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After clash with several HWSs, i just realized how good it is. No wonder why an old SS like HWS can be on top of the power table. A bit regret that i didn't make it sooner, coz now 3.5 is wiped out completely. So i have to grind for it normally.
 
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better yet, reborns funnels arent effected by NTD
Yeah so glad it just flys back at you and does nothing.

Its like a reminder telling you there's an NTD around.

Oh yeah and forgot to mention Reborns can shoot it's beam zook at a much quicker pace. Granted it's reload is quite terrible, but it absolutely melts any rock in firing position if they don't have beam defense.

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