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Today, around 3:50 P.M, four firetrucks we're called down to the house across from mine. Its obvious that there was a fire, but it was on the lawn of the house, and some of it spreaded to the house. There was no one hurt in the progress, but when the firemen found out who caused it, they we're shocked.
It was a 13 year old boy. He walked out the house with a box of matches, wondering what had happened. They questioned him and the boy said 'Because I wanted to." Now take a minute and think about that. You'd just want to take off your belt and whoop that kid's ass wouldn't you?
But this is where it gets good; The mother came home, she just got out the car, WITH a belt, and started spanking him.

Now don't you think that's a bit outrageous for someone to do some type of shit like that?
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Now don't you think that's a bit outrageous for someone to do some type of shit like that?
By that I hope you mean the 13 year old that lit the lawn on fire because I would of done the same thing the mother did. LOL
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By that I hope you mean the 13 year old that lit the lawn on fire because I would of done the same thing the mother did. LOL
Yeah... just because kids do stupid things does not mean they deserve physical abuse; nothing justifies it (if I could de-rep you I would). The kid could have mental issues that he can't control, in that case he should see a specialist.
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The kid could have mental issues that he can't control, in that case he should see a specialist.
That's the one thing though, he doesn't have any. (As the mother stated.) So we don't REALLY know if it's true or not.
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That's the one thing though, he doesn't have any. (As the mother stated.) So we don't REALLY know if it's true or not.
Even still, you can punish children without the need to abuse. Being firm and not giving it to the child's every whim is the key to control; abuse can potentially cause the person to develop really bad problems (including behavioral problems). People are too quick to raise a hand, and don't think about the consequences.
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Yeah... just because kids do stupid things does not mean they deserve physical abuse; nothing justifies it (if I could de-rep you I would). The kid could have mental issues that he can't control, in that case he should see a specialist.
I was only kidding about it.
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I was only kidding about it.
This isn't the random forum, responses here are usually pretty serious.
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Even still, you can punish children without the need to abuse. Being firm and not giving it to the child's every whim is the key to control; abuse can potentially cause the person to develop really bad problems (including behavioral problems). People are too quick to raise a hand, and don't think about the consequences.
I can see your point of view, and I agree with you.
And some are quick on the hurt, but they just don't understand it through their heads.
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If my kid had lit our lawn on fire, I'd definitely smack him and ground him to his room for like 2 months+.
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LOL. A little extreme eh?
But yeah.. "Because I wanted to." Really? I hope no one was wandering why he got beat with a belt. I think it's one of those situations where you shake your head while watching her beat her kid, but you'd understand.

"Because I wanted to."

Geez.
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Yeah... just because kids do stupid things does not mean they deserve physical abuse; nothing justifies it (if I could de-rep you I would). The kid could have mental issues that he can't control, in that case he should see a specialist.
I think the mother has enough mental capacity to detect severe mental issues in her own child to determine which punishment would appropriate the situation.

Not to mention, the situation could've gotten out of control real quickly. It could've burned the house, burned the neighbor's house, killed himself or his neighbors. With the stakes that high, it would not be proper to just let him off with a slap in the wrist. I think the belt is a suitable punishment given the situation.
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Yeah... just because kids do stupid things does not mean they deserve physical abuse; nothing justifies it (if I could de-rep you I would). The kid could have mental issues that he can't control, in that case he should see a specialist.
So, you're saying that kid could go away with it even though he nearly set the house on fire which could've cost his own life? And he doesn't deserve and little discipline to straighten up his act? That a stern lecture/therapist are able to fix his misbehavior? That he doesn't deserve to be punish by his stupidity? Wow.
I don't get you people ranting about the mum spanking her kid.

It's not like she tied him up in the basement and whip him with a rope. (my dad used to whip me with a rope)

That stupid kid DESERVE it. AND he should've gotten more than just spanking with a belt!

If I were that mum, I would've slap him across the face and spank him and throw all his stuff away. COZ I WANTED TO.
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I would've beat his ass too. It's not like he didn't know better, the kid was 13 years old. He has no disabilities. He's just a little shit. And don't ****ing say he should be sent to therapy or something, that's just a cop-out and shitty parenting. And I know a lot of people say, "You shouldn't strike a child out of anger," but the kicker to that statement is:

Why the hell are you gonna hit anybody if you're not mad?

The way I see it, it's a parent's job to make snap decisions like this. Sometimes you just have to be able to judge what kind of punishment fits what kind of situation. The mother beat his ass immediately, and I commend her for it.
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Obviously there are different situations where physical discipline should not be applied but with what I am told I think the mom did the right thing.

Starting fires is NOT something that should be taken lightly. When I did something bad my mom whooped my ass and you know what? It made me a better person. Furthermore, no one knows that kid better than his mom, it is really up to a parent whether they think physical discipline is EFFECTIVE or not. Obviously there are holes to thing since there are always extremes on both sides.

Also, there is a huge difference between spanking for discipline and legitimate physical -abuse-. If someone is abusing a child, that would be where they get whipped for absolutely no reason or when it was totally out of reason, in which case should be reported immediately.
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Spanking your kids is not abuse you ignoramus.
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Says who? There are other ways to handle punishment. A lot of kids who suffer the hands of abuse end up with behavioral problems; all spanking does is give the child the idea that violence is the correct way to solve things. The child is going to act up regardless if s/he knows that a spanking/beating will be in order.
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Yes, it is.
Not really. Depends on your demographics. Spanking your child is a very common way to discipline a child. I think USA and Canada are the only countries that look down on it.

It's better for the child now to associate playing with fire to pain, than associate it with arson, murder, guilt, and violent retribution later in life.

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Says who? There are other ways to handle punishment. A lot of kids who suffer the hands of abuse end up with behavioral problems; all spanking does is give the child the idea that violence is the correct way to solve things. The child is going to act up regardless if s/he knows that a spanking/beating will be in order.
That is assuming too much. Such as the child is stupid enough NOT to associate pain with something that is not right (such as playing with fire). It's actually better for a child to learn this at a younger age. That's how we evolved, that's how nature intended us to learn, the very basics of knowledge, that pain = something bad. Therefore, one learns avoid doing something that causes you pain (such as getting your mother angry).

As of now, a 13-year old is not mentally developed enough to consider the well-being of others in a mature level. At this stage, children are very egocentric. They focus mostly towards themselves up to late adolescence. As such, pain is a very efficient teaching tool.

But as OP has stated, the child is not mentally challenged. Therefore he will naturally associate playing with fire = getting spanked.
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I agree with Vith here. You should never, ever hit your child, no matter what they do.
If I were this mother, I would be furious, but would have a very long talk with the kid(most likely yell at him/her), it's obvious he's going through some sort of "stage", or that he's really angry at something. Sure, it's not an excuse for setting something on fire, but it could be the real reason why he did it.

Spanking and physical discipline isn't the answer. You should punish your children with words(nothing mean, though.) and teach them what's wrong, and if they do something that could be a danger to them, you open up and tell them how you feel, how it effects you, or how you would feel if they were seriously injured by their actions/if they were to die by the actions. You should also look back at when you were their age. Going through "the change" brings up all sorts of angst, and everyone deals with the anger differently.
I know when I was around that age, I was just angry at everything. I never did anything this severe, but I have run away a few times, but after learning how my mother felt about it, I stopped being like that, and straightened up.
 

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