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The very word brings negative images of execution of innocents, darkness, loss of rights, and dictatorial rule. Yet America is heading right down that road!

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2. Get into the schools and thusly into the minds of the youth
3. Exploit the fear a country has over a failing economy
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1. Every major media station in America is licking Obamas shoes clean. The only exception is Fox newsm which Obama and the vast majority of people hate. These media stations are feeding nothing but the wonders of our President to the public. The future dictator holds a great grip here.

2. Obama has taken the first step in his televised speech towards school. What is now an innocent speech may soon evolve into a more sinister threat. This speech was just a test to see how a speech bby him would be accepted by the schools. He will get more bold and gradually get to the point where he will invade the minds of the youth.

3. Obama's entire campaign was pretty much won over pocket book promises. Like Hitler he is promising the people that he will fix the economy and make us all happy. The Healthcare bill is a nice step towards socialism which will then lead to Communism. He is disguising a step towards Communism as a bill that will help our economy.

4. "Yes we can!" and "Change you can believe in" pretty much sum this section up. Yes, Presidents of the past have combined us under a common goal but none have taken as many steps towards Communist Dictatorship as our own beloved President.

The fact that most Americans are blind to what he is doing scares and angers me. He is pretty much holding our hands as he guides us towards his dictatorial rule! I only hope that the American people can see through him before it is too late.

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Most conservatives just call him a socialist. Are you some super extreme god tier right wing extremist or something?
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World War II

1. Media censor? Hell yeah why not? It's been done since the 1800's
2. Remember Uncle Sam? He's been here since the 1800's too

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3. Great Depression, om nom nom...

4. God forbid I list all the organizations FDR created to make American populace feel better since they have a job now.


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Are you forgetting how hard it is for him to actually become a dictator? If it gets that bad, he will just get impeached, or he will be out of office in 4/8 years. It's not like he could just make a whole bunch of new laws that allow dictatorship, and delete all the old ones. the senate and house of more power than he does in terms of law-making. All of these conspiracy theories are really starting to amuse me. I understand that he isn't as godly as the media makes him appear to be, but that is no reason to believe he has the power to do anything of the sort.

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Let's put it this way.

The Supreme Court is the President's worst nightmare.

Hell, if you actually got your history right, you'd be afraid of Supreme Court far more than the Congress and President combined.
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In post-Weimar, pre-war Germany, they had already moved over to a wartime economy with rationing. The American reporter, William L. Shirer, who reported from inside Germany made a special note that Goebbels allowed foreign reporters (such as himself) "hard labor" (full) rations of meat, eggs, fats, etc in order to keep them fat and happy and reporting nice things about Germany. The German people knew this and said nothing.

What you fail to keep in mind (if you're not trolling) is that at the time, the German people were no strangers to brutal, conniving, controlling regimes. It was pretty much instinctive on their part to just deal with oppression, and the democratic period they had after 1918 taught them nothing. The parallels you're drawing between then and America now are pretty much nulled by that fact. If anything, the American public at large is taking the exact opposite approach - in fact, recently for at least a month here in small town Texas of all places, you couldn't find ammo for sale anywhere. All these scares about Obama actually made these folks stock up on bullets.

So no, I don't think we're going to be taken over any time soon.
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Is the Judicial Branch and Legislative Branch wiped out yet? Can Obama do that without him getting his ass killed? I don't think so.
 
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I'll say this and I'll only say this once.

Obama's job is to make people feel "complacent."

He's not much different than "dubya," except he's using complacency instead of fear-mongering.

I actually feel sorry for those people though, because they really believe in those false hopes and promises. America is still one "rogue-like" corrupt nation, and that won't ever change.

Off-Topic: Have you heard his theme song "Yes We Can" played backwards? You'd be surprised at what you're actually saying, and it might even scare you..
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Off-Topic: Have you heard his theme song "Yes We Can" played backwards? You'd be surprised at what you're actually saying, and it might even scare you..
And what is it? *too scared to go jewtube to listen it*
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That would be totalitarianism, communism doesn't necessarily "need" a dictator, they just need a singe leader. Communism is a way to treat everyone equally, so a person with a disability isn't discriminated by others because of say, the clothes they wear. Oh, remember 9/11/01? The act that took away our privacy in exchange for national security? Yet, I didn't see anyone questioning that until quite a long time. But, if you insist that in 6 months, he's taken away our rights without us knowing, go ahead.

1. The media goes with what they think would be interesting for the population to hear. Since more delegates voted for Obama, and in essence, more of the population, that would mean the public interest would very likely be to hear good things about our President. If I recall correctly, the media was all for Bush at the beginning, and even helped out his move to wage war on Iraq, no dictatorship suggestion there? Hmm?

2. Now, check the rant I made about President Obama's speech. It had nothing to do with politics, it had nothing to influence them to do things for him, he wa just encouraging the student body, yet schools had to make this big deal about "indoctrination." In fact, I don't even know why we're still on this subject, Republicans accused Obama of trying to influence kids politically, Obama didn't do anything bad, and the Republicans and wheover else complained about Obama's speech look like fools. It's pretty obvious that Obama was not at fault here, since Republicans were the ones who made this such a big deal in the first place.

3. Yes, but John McCain also made these promises, and when he came home to Arizona (I live in Arizona by the way) he made no moves to further his plans. Hitler did not, in fact promise to make his people happy. He promised a flourishing state of his country, and basically made many accusations against his opposition, while not promising to much to his people. He also convinced them that Germans were superior, but that isn't exactly a promise of happiness.

I love how you think that you know all about this healthcare bill, as if you had read it and been involved in a discussion about it. Go read the healthcare bill while thinking about all the legal issues and the ambiguities. Then, come back and tell us about it, I'm sure it would be fascinating, and we can have a whole other discussion about that.

4. "Iraq has WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!" Oh look, we were so scared that we were united, oh look, NO accusation of dictatorship. Sounds like you're not against Communism, but it sounds like you're just against Obama.

We're definitely not a democracy, we're a Republic, and we were already part-socialist for quite a few decades. It's people like you that makes it sound like you hate him just because he's Black.
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You know, I never did understand the resistance to healthcare reforms in America. Universal healthcare is not exactly free healthcare. It provides some sort of basic health insurance to people who can't afford it. What is so wrong with this?
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oooooooooo conspiracy talk. You are all wrong if you think Obama is anything more than a puppet to large corporate sponsorships and the banking conglomerates. The "recession" was nothing more than a ploy to bust up businesses and allow them to be bought at a very low price.

Socialized medecine will be used to give you vaccinations you don't need against viruses that aern't as bad as people think. the vaccines will not be risk free and will make a percentage of people sick allowing the pharmaceutical industry to make huge profits.

The US will become a sick image of it's former glory. It's common citizens will live in government made ghettos, they will be sick, hungry and pennyless. The only people who will enjoy the modern conveniences of the next century are the elite and their descendants. The top 1% will enjoy what the other 99% cannot even dream of.

Why? because Obama gave a speech to schoolchildren.
 
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Off-Topic: Have you heard his theme song "Yes We Can" played backwards? You'd be surprised at what you're actually saying, and it might even scare you..
... what? Nacewsey? How the hell is that scary?
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Most conservatives just call him a socialist. Are you some super extreme god tier right wing extremist or something?
Nah, I'm just trying to see some explanations for these things I have observed. I believe this is called Rant forum which means I am allowed to rant about my anger over how blind the American people seem to be.

I wanted to see intellectual responses for all those who brought forth trolling accusations. I don't care about your emotions, they are worth nothing to me, I want to see what you think about this as intelligent people. Seems as though I came to the wrong place to rant.

I don't care if a President is black, albino or any skin tone inbetween. I became politically aware just around a year and a half ago. For half of that time I didn't really take a lot of interest in the subject and only looked into political issues on rare occasions.

Seeing a black president elected made me proud. It showed that we could overcome racial bounds and hatred. The fact that he was the first got me interested in him. His recent actions have shocked me.

I just felt like posting my fears and anger here and seeing whether my view was justifiable. Upon reading many of the responses my fears and anger have been relieved. I believe this to be the point of a rant correct?

Thank you for all those who responded with intelligence. I have been enlightened and have taken your reasoned and intellectual responses into consideration. For all those who posted with assumptions and stupidity, I scorn you for your lack of meager intelligence, thought process, and overall traits of a being with higher intelligence.

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Let's put it this way.

The Supreme Court is the President's worst nightmare.

Hell, if you actually got your history right, you'd be afraid of Supreme Court far more than the Congress and President combined.
Yes, but the people are the power behind our Republic and a lot of people are following him blindly and if he can get to our youth, as was one of my points, then when they grow up he will have an even stronger supporting base. All he needs is enough people on his side and he can fling the other branches aside like trash.

It may seem unlikely but the possibility scares me none the less.

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I wanted to see intellectual responses for all those who brought forth trolling accusations. I don't care about your emotions, they are worth nothing to me, I want to see what you think about this as intelligent people. Seems as though I came to the wrong place to rant.
Just FYI, I don't think that there are many Americans that can discuss this topic without emotion on both sides. Your opening post cited you feeling "anger" which is an emotion. Poorly worded comments like this spark flame wars and seriously degrade the credibility of your own arguments.

1. Fox news is the media arm of the far-right conservatives. You won't find any station, ever, that reports the news without some sort of slant, bias, etc. Privately owned organizations exist to make profit which is generated by higher ratings. Higher ratings are generated by content that is interesting and people LOVE to debate controversial topics. State-run news agencies (e.g. Chinese, Iranian) report only what the government tells them to report.

2. A valid argument has already been made against his school speeches. Obama wasn't the first, George H.W. Bush addressed schools from a Jr. High in 1991. Reagen took questions from H.S. students and broadcast them on national television in 1986. Both of these were Republicans and the weren't cast as communist, socialist, or dictators.

3. Obama indeed promised more than I feel he can deliver. At the rate we're going our dollar is going to be worthless and many generations of our children will pay for what has been done now. The financial irresponsibility of Wall Street being rewarded with my money severely pisses me off and should piss off any working American taxpayer. I feel the government did what needed to be done in light of everything but I feel they should now get the hell out of the financial sector and let capitalism run its course.

4. No one has taken us down the road to socialism? What about Social Security, welfare, Food Stamps, WIC, Free/Reduced Lunches, Medicare, Medicaid housing assistance, earned-income credit, veteran's benefits, worker's compensation, nationalization of the railroad industry, unemployment benefits, etc.? All of these are government programs, funded by me and the other millions of taxpayers. Of these, the only ones I have ever used are veteran's benefits because I earned them by giving up 6 years of my life on active duty. Face it, we're already partially socialized and the same people crying about a national healthcare plan wouldn't dare give up the social programs they already use.

Let's not forget FDR's "New Deal" which created many social programs and government agencies such as social security, the SEC, Fannie Mae, the FDIC, FCIC, and the FHA.

Obama isn't doing any more to move us to "socialism" than one would expect from a far-left president. By contrast, the far-right presidency of Dubya brought us war, tax breaks for the rich, and a better environment for big business. This is precisely what is expected to come from both of these types of administration and the reason we need a president that is neither far left or right.
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What? Before I even give an explanation I want to know wth made you think that he could even dream of overthrowing the Supreme Court and Congress.
 
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What? Before I even give an explanation I want to know wth made you think that he could even dream of overthrowing the Supreme Court and Congress.
I came here to post a topic I was mad about, I did NOT come to see your worthless emotions. So not hypocritical. Think such things through Noe and Henreh.

Think about it. The governement can only be formed if people accept it. Just because a system has been functional for a long time doesn't mean it can't be changed. It means it is simply accepted. If he can get enough people behind him the rules wouldn't really matter. If he can get them to agree to ignore Congress and the Supreme Court then they are pretty much null and void.
 
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I came here to post a topic I was mad about, I did NOT come to see your worthless emotions. So not hypocritical. Think such things through Noe and Henreh.

Think about it. The governement can only be formed if people accept it. Just because a system has been functional for a long time doesn't mean it can't be changed. It means it is simply accepted. If he can get enough people behind him the rules wouldn't really matter. If he can get them to agree to ignore Congress and the Supreme Court then they are pretty much null and void.
Sorry rant = angry post about something. If you don't care for our emotions then why should I consider even giving a dam ounce of respect for yours when you don't respect mines?

You're telling me to think it through with such an half assed response I question you about being hypocritical AGAIN. You think it through. Why was Russia and China able to overthrow their governments or better yet THEIR MONARCHIES? The royal family held all of the power and it's EASILY able to OVERTHROW and create a communist country by winning over people. The reasons why the 3 branches were formed were to separate the powers so there would be no branch with the most power.

It can't be changed? Over hundreds of new Amendments have been proposed since the Constitution was formed and a ew has been passed. That isn't change huh?

Sorry but as long as Congress (which they forever will) has the power to wage war, raise taxes, unseat the president for treason. You're speaking as if the people have the most power. What can the people do without a government?
 
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Originally Posted by Henreh
Sorry rant = angry post about something. If you don't care for our emotions then why should I consider even giving a dam ounce of respect for yours when you don't respect mines?

You're telling me to think it through with such an half assed response I question you about being hypocritical AGAIN. You think it through. Why was Russia and China able to overthrow their governments or better yet THEIR MONARCHIES? The royal family held all of the power and it's EASILY able to OVERTHROW and create a communist country by winning over people. The reasons why the 3 branches were formed were to separate the powers so there would be no branch with the most power.

It can't be changed? Over hundreds of new Amendments have been proposed since the Constitution was formed and a ew has been passed. That isn't change huh?

Sorry but as long as Congress (which they forever will) has the power to wage war, raise taxes, unseat the president for treason. You're speaking as if the people have the most power. What can the people do without a government?
I'm not asking you to respect my emotion and I wouldn't give a rat's ass for anyone's respect in a rant. I am not saying that people can do anything without a government. What made you think that? Obama will be the head master according to this theory. So he would be the governer and leader of this large number of people.

The people pretty much control the government. Only because the vast majority of people accept a government does it exist. Even military dictatorships rely on the soldiers who support it with force. If they didn't accept the dictator even the dictatorship would fail.

People are the power. Control enough people and you have the power on your side. It is only because we American's support our current form of government that it even exists. No matter how strong a government is if the people don't respect it, it can't function.

I am not talking about an amendment. I am talking about a complete takeover with the vast majority of Americans on his side.

The only thing that relieves my fear is the fact that his "fan base" has decreased in size.

Last edited by Dracklore; 10-22-2009 at 07:00 PM.
 

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