nTreev's lack of care.

[Tardar]

Henry, I bet none of the new MyShop lolboxes that will eventually be released will have DA on it. If I'm correct pretty much none of them had DA on them. And it is also potential damage. There would probably only be one or two Foxes that would have that damage. Oh here's the list of lolboxes that didn't have much DA.
-Queen Set- 1 item. (Accessory)
-Robot Set- Not sure.
-Shamrock- 0 items (I think)
-Heaven's Set 1 item. (Accessory)

Yes, they are versatile, but as Firey said, they can't keep up with what's coming out. Sure, they can kill some people in PvP/GvG now, but with newer skills only in compounding (new 3rds are probably a long time away). They can't do much. Even the higher level'd MyShop isn't supporting them much. You saw my list. The only MyShop that has been really good for them was the Wedding Set.

[Henreh]

Originally Posted by fieryshadowcard

What happens if you were never interested in PvP in the first place? And if this were true, there'd be at least one person here or on MT ranting about how overpowered Foxes are. It'd take up 1% of the class rants, mind you, but it would exist.

Then why bother buying myshop.

[Fuzzy]

Also on the GM comment, I think it was Assumption thats a lion

[fieryshadowcard]

Originally Posted by Henreh

Then why bother buying myshop.

I rarely do, especially for my Fox. And most of it remains uncomped for long periods of time. But, aside from PvP, there's bossing (which my Fox hasn't done in ages because she'd just get outperformed), training, and when I feel like it, compounding.

You already know my stance on boosters and sprints, but one thing that cannot be circumvented any longer is stats. Simply put, if your stats can't compete in whatever you do, you can't do anything. Well, you can train, but that's it. But I've always been big on bossing just for the hell of it. That being said, I'm more resolute to hunt down the Blood set than shell out more money for the next fleeting MyShop set.

[Shade]

Originally Posted by Henreh

Agreed. Not to mention they also have one of the highest PvP damage potentials.

Originally Posted by [kex1]

Lol. it's the complete opposite of what im thinking.....foxes can get good hv to fight power types....they can debuff a charm to their doom....they can easily kill light mages.....not to mention their sudden attack skill can 1hko lions!!

It really depends on your equips.....foxes are the most versatile chars in the game! you just need to figure out what beats what

I suggest you play a fox yourself before commenting on them.

It is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get good hv, good da, good lk, good hp AND good ac all at the same time! It's just like taking a bunny and saying she needs to get lots of lk and da in order to do anything at pvp!

If a fox gets good hv, they'd have to sacrifice something. Some foxes I've seen that put on lots of hv ended getting easily hit by a magic. What's the point of a fox if she can't protect herself with those 3 lk buffs she gets???

To debuff you need lots of DA. If you get lots of DA, you'll end up losing out on HV, AC and HP. (Don't even start with that sticky icky - it's near impossible to get it to connect if you're opponent is constantly moving. Even if you do hide and hit with it, you'd die instantly after you appear and the debuff will be gone)


I am talking from personal experience. You guys are talking from theories. Compartively to any other class - the fox is not that good.

and lol, this topic is way overdone, so it'll probably get locked sooner or later

[TMM]

Kex's point was that you can have different sets of equipment and fight different classes at a time.

[hueyple]

lion's new skill is crap
it increases gun AP for regular shoots and not skills
if you apply this skill with keen sense it turns at
becoming stronger than power shot ._.
but you have to be a timed crit master?
zzz... every classes has its good and bad sides about it

[Tardar]

I'm just pointing out that the Fox class has never really had a "golden age" where they were on top of the food chain. And other than Beta.
And yes we all realize that Lions are getting shafted now; you still have your speed though.

[hueyple]

yeah i don't think there ever going to change our speed
so fast
my "golden age" was back in beta as well
back than no one new about LK being able to dodge stuff
everyone was worrying about AC
it was so fun back in the old days *sniff*

[Amanda]

Originally Posted by Silver Rook

NTreev <3 Dragons

I don't play T0 but I was reading this thread and I just have to agree with you on this, on GC they released Ronan way early and he's a DRAGONknight.

[Ildanach]

Originally Posted by Apathy

@Mods: Please re-make the rule for ranting about specific classes.

I second that.

This kind of discussion has no end.

[[kex1]]

Originally Posted by Momijii

Henry, I bet none of the new MyShop lolboxes that will eventually be released will have DA on it. If I'm correct pretty much none of them had DA on them. And it is also potential damage. There would probably only be one or two Foxes that would have that damage. Oh here's the list of lolboxes that didn't have much DA.
-Queen Set- 1 item. (Accessory)
-Robot Set- Not sure.
-Shamrock- 0 items (I think)
-Heaven's Set 1 item. (Accessory)

Yes, they are versatile, but as Firey said, they can't keep up with what's coming out. Sure, they can kill some people in PvP/GvG now, but with newer skills only in compounding (new 3rds are probably a long time away). They can't do much. Even the higher level'd MyShop isn't supporting them much. You saw my list. The only MyShop that has been really good for them was the Wedding Set.

The robo set had good DA/HV base stats on it!!!! the headgear had great base LK and ac....the shield and the sword had good hv/da....and the pet!!!!!! it has hv/LK/ac/DA!!! that pet is as good as it gets for a fox!!

Originally Posted by Shade

I suggest you play a fox yourself before commenting on them.

Actually I'm half fox. lol.

And I have.....I've tried playing a lvl 215 pure LK fox and they freakin own all mages.....

Against power types....its possible to have 450 hv 350 da and 300 LK at the same time...thats your anti-power set..

Against Magic types.....just go pure LK and spam those mines

Against Charm types......go hv/hp and keep them in check by making sure that they're debuffed at all times.

Against Lions.........use pure LK equips....hide....icky them....then hide again...then sudden attack...its too easy for foxes in pvp!

[Silver Rook]

People, people, people...
If you're a fox and you're going against types that has debuffs against YOUR TYPE, you're obviously looking for trouble ain't you?
Its like a dragon, of the same level and with equal amounts of firepower and skill level fighting against a cat.

We can easily denounce who will win the battle, no?

[Tardar]

@Kex- I didn't know much about the Robot Set. I was grounded from the computer. And since not many lolboxes included Fox friendly stuff (other than Love), I thought it was the same.

Time to go find mod to close my thread. kthxbai.

[GodofFaith]

I don't know but i only see Fox as a support type