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Martin Dempsey: Edward Snowden Has Hurt U.S. Ties With Other Countries

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The Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman says NSA leaker Edward Snowden's disclosures about U.S. surveillance programs have undermined U.S. relationships with other countries and affected what he calls "the importance of trust."

Gen. Martin Dempsey tells CNN's "State of the Union" that the U.S. will "work our way back. But it has set us back temporarily."
All is right in the world when a country is being a hypocritical bully on the block piece of shit, and nobody wants to call them out on it. Seriously, talking about "trust" when YOU SPIED on other countries? And out right threatening any country that wants to help the guy that revealed U.S was bending other countries over? Holy shit.

The world seriously needs to get a grip, and put their feet down. Why are you letting this piece of shit stroll around the block, acting like he's king, treating everyone else like shit?
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So far Iceland has been the only country with enough balls to propose (not promise) giving Snowden sanctuary and citizenship. Every other country in the EU is currently hand-wringing and sheepishly pointing to technicalities regarding refugee and sanctuary status and not lifting a finger to help Snowden.

These, by the way, are the same countries that constantly make themselves being seen and heard about how enlightened they are in comparison to that big mean jerk, the United States.
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So far Iceland has been the only country with enough balls to propose (not promise) giving Snowden sanctuary and citizenship. Every other country in the EU is currently hand-wringing and sheepishly pointing to technicalities regarding refugee and sanctuary status and not lifting a finger to help Snowden.

These, by the way, are the same countries that constantly make themselves being seen and heard about how enlightened they are in comparison to that big mean jerk, the United States.
I thought there were a few more countries willing to offer asylum to Snowden?
or did this threat happen after that?
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I thought there were a few more countries willing to offer asylum to Snowden?
Yep, Venezuela and Nicaragua.

Venezuela, Nicaragua offer asylum to NSA leaker Snowden - World News
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I don't get the hype surrounding this guy.

The US always spies on other countries, we knew this.
There are reports over the Chinese government cyber attacks stealing confidential data daily.

Why aren't these cyber attacks the bigger concern over this guy? Because he revealed something we already knew?
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I'm more surprised ex-KGB Prime Minister Vladmir Putin said he wanted Snowden to stop leaking American secrets with a straight face.
 
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Yep, Venezuela and Nicaragua.
I'd prefer Iceland myself
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Caveat: To get asylum in these countries, he needs to get to their embassy or get there (physically) first. More than likely he's going to be stuck in an embassy because he won't be able to physically get there.

At the end of the day, he's completely screwed because he's then confined to whatever country gave him asylum.
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Not to mention he'll most likely never live a normal life again at his asylum.
 
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Caveat: To get asylum in these countries, he needs to get to their embassy or get there (physically) first. More than likely he's going to be stuck in an embassy because he won't be able to physically get there.

At the end of the day, he's completely screwed because he's then confined to whatever country gave him asylum.
So Snowden (currently in Russia) needs to get another country's embassy (also in Russia) in order to claim sanctuary

and somehow America is making this impossible

I'm not doubting what you're stating but something on a very, very fundamental level doesn't add up here
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So Snowden (currently in Russia) needs to get another country's embassy (also in Russia) in order to claim sanctuary

and somehow America is making this impossible

I'm not doubting what you're stating but something on a very, very fundamental level doesn't add up here
Well, he needs to be on their soil to be granted asylum (for most countries anyways). I'm fairly certain he doesn't want to be like Assange, stuck in an embassy with no opportunity to get out. Mind you, there are no direct flights to Venezuela or Nicaragua from Moscow.

He's very screwed.
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He wouldn't be so screwed if one of these enlightened nations would just pony up a plane ticket

Snowden is in Moscow, right? Pretty sure they have daily nonstops to Stockholm, Amsterdam, Paris, Iceland, etc
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He wouldn't be so screwed if one of these enlightened nations would just pony up a plane ticket

Snowden is in Moscow, right? Pretty sure they have daily nonstops to Stockholm, Amsterdam, Paris, Iceland, etc
He'll be in countries (and their airspace) that would presumably extradite him. He has to be in Nicaragua or Venezuela (embassies are technically a part of those countries) to be safe. Because if it all it took was a plane ticket, he'd probably taken Iceland's offer to grant him asylum. I definitely recall reading them considering offering it.... if he could get there.

He's at least in a slightly better than Assange.... at least he's not in the capital of the country that's after him best ally.
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He'll be in countries (and their airspace) that would presumably extradite him.
pretty sure it'd be kind of tough to nab him from said airspace during the time he'll be in it, even if they tried to do it Dark Knight Rises style
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pretty sure it'd be kind of tough to nab him from said airspace during the time he'll be in it, even if they tried to do it Dark Knight Rises style
You can definitely tell any plane to land at the nearest airstrip if you wanted to.
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