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MsSquid 06-27-2013 09:06 PM

i absolutely HATE the beatles to be honest
 
The fact that so many books still name the Beatles "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success: the Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worth of being saved.

In a sense the Beatles are emblematic of the status of rock criticism as a whole: too much attention to commercial phenomena (be it grunge or U2) and too little attention to the merits of real musicians. If somebody composes the most divine music but no major label picks him up and sells him around the world, a lot of rock critics will ignore him. If a major label picks up a musician who is as stereotyped as one can be but launches her or him worldwide, your average critic will waste rivers of ink on her or him. This is the sad status of rock criticism: rock critics are basically publicists working for free for major labels, distributors and record stores. They simply publicize what the music business wants to make money with.

Hopefully, one not-too-distant day, there will be a clear demarcation between a great musician like Tim Buckley, who never sold much, and commercial products like the Beatles. And rock critics will study more of rock history and realize who invented what and who simply exploited it commercially.

Beatles' "aryan" music removed any trace of black music from rock and roll: it replaced syncopated african rhythm with linear western melody, and lusty negro attitudes with cute white-kid smiles.

Contemporary musicians never spoke highly of the Beatles, and for a good reason. They could not figure out why the Beatles' songs should be regarded more highly than their own. They knew that the Beatles were simply lucky to become a folk phenomenon (thanks to "Beatlemania", which had nothing to do with their musical merits). THat phenomenon kept alive interest in their (mediocre) musical endeavours to this day. Nothing else grants the Beatles more attention than, say, the Kinks or the Rolling Stones. There was nothing intrinsically better in the Beatles' music. Ray Davies of the Kinks was certainly a far better songwriter than Lennon & McCartney. The Stones were certainly much more skilled musicians than the 'Fab Fours'. And Pete Townshend was a far more accomplished composer, capable of "Tommy" and "Quadrophenia". Not to mention later and far greater British musicians. Not to mention the American musicians who created what the Beatles later sold to the masses.

The Beatles sold a lot of records not because they were the greatest musicians but simply because their music was easy to sell to the masses: it had no difficult content, it had no technical innovations, it had no creative depth. They wrote a bunch of catchy 3-minute ditties and they were photogenic. If somebody had not invented "beatlemania" in 1963, you would not have wasted five minutes of your time to read a page about such a trivial band.

I spent all day writing this. Discuss.

AnaSyami 06-27-2013 09:11 PM

I never even listened to a song from them, I don't like bands..
Rihanna please!

Veloze 06-27-2013 09:30 PM

The fact that so many books still name Piero Scaruffi "the greatest or most significant or most influential" music critic ever only tells you how far music criticism still is from becoming a serious art. Musical critics are still blinded by commercial success: Scaruffi criticized more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore he must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Music critics are often totally ignorant of the criticism of the past, they barely know the best critics. No wonder they will think Scaruffi did anything worth of being saved.

In a sense Scaruffi is emblematic of the status of music criticism as a whole: too much attention to commercial phenomena (be it grunge or U2) and too little attention to the merits of real critics. Hopefully, one not-too-distant day, there will be a clear demarcation between a great critic like Harold Schonberg, who never criticized much, and commercial products like Scaruffi. And music critics will study more of music criticism and realize who invented what and who simply exploited it commercially.

Contemporary critics never spoke highly of Scaruffi, and for a good reason. They could not figure out why Scaruffi’s critics should be regarded more highly than their own. Scaruffi criticized a lot of records not because he was the greatest critic but simply because his critics were easy to sell to the masses: it had no difficult content, it had no technical innovations, it had no creative depth. He crticized a bunch of catchy 3-minute ditties and he was photogenic. If somebody had not invented "Scaruffi.com", you would not have wasted five minutes of your time to read a page about such a trivial critic.

mamoru 06-27-2013 09:37 PM

I saw Flying Lotus a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw FlyLo trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

Harlequin 06-27-2013 09:38 PM

Buddy Holly was much more influential in the realm of rock and roll than The Beatles were anyway.

Ethane 06-28-2013 02:06 AM

One day the Crickets came over to our house to visit with my mom and another friend. I ignored them because I was playing Batman Returns on my Super Nintendo

Kongro 06-28-2013 02:40 AM


Genji 06-28-2013 05:12 AM

Video game music has left more of an impact.

In fact, vidya is the only industry to have consistently good music.


FM synth is the best synth

Ethane 06-28-2013 05:17 AM

That FM synth work there is really good but the redbook soundtrack for the PC-Engine release is what made EGM give this game 9's and 10's (something they rarely, rarely did) when it was released


Genji 06-28-2013 05:30 AM

Ahh, the music on the PC-engine was pretty sweet, man
But which platform was this one?


Because I think it's the TurboGrafx-CD

Ethane 06-28-2013 05:34 AM

I'm 99% sure that it's from the PC-Engine version, I'll confirm when I get back from my run

Kongro 06-28-2013 07:16 AM


MsSquid 06-28-2013 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genji (Post 1824432)
In fact, vidya is the only industry to have consistently good music.

lmao becuz there r sum nerds who rly believe this

Genji 06-28-2013 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tumblr420 (Post 1824438)
lmao becuz there r sum nerds who rly believe this

Says the Beatles hater

Kongro 06-28-2013 09:09 AM


MsSquid 06-28-2013 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genji (Post 1824442)
Says the Beatles hater

the beatles r shit tho forreal

ppl only like them cuz theyre old and popular i bet u havent even listened 2 any beatles albums lmao

Genji 06-28-2013 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tumblr420 (Post 1824461)
the beatles r shit tho forreal

ppl only like them cuz theyre old and popular i bet u havent even listened 2 any beatles albums lmao

You're implying that "A Day in the Life" from "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" isn't the best song ever.

Jon 06-28-2013 10:59 AM


MsSquid 06-28-2013 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genji (Post 1824463)
You're implying that "A Day in the Life" from "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" isn't the best song ever.

u pmuch just named their most popular song from their most popular album tho

that's like saying u love "baby" from "my world 2.0"

ya thats right

i just comapred the beatles to j biebz

MsSquid 06-28-2013 11:02 AM

listen to REAL MUSIC losers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsfnuyyjaB0


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