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Yeah but take Mewtwo for example(since I've played first generation more then I have second and quit at second). I use Parasect/Exeggutor vs players with it using a combo of Sleeppowder/Spore(never miss version of powder for Parasect <3) use Substitute then start using Megadrain while powering it up with Growth. With Exeggutor I did it with SP, Leechseed and Doubleteam and then have either Rest or Toxic in forth slot and that can kill a Mewtwo with ease. Same thing can be done with Tangela as well if you want more defense.
Evasion clause kills your double team.
 
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Azelf is OU and has quite a bit of moves to choose from.High Sp,Attack + Attack make it a viable candidate for either spectrum of sweeping.Plus is can learn explosion and with its hax speed its guarateed to pull it off.
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Evasion clause kills your double team.
My not playing by your internet rules kills your clause.
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what's the point of you arguing over ubers if you won't be convinced with competitive rules? it's not like you play with the "internet rule" of 'NO UBERS'.
Because the limitation of moves makes less sense then the limitation of some Pokemon even though I can understand the limiting of some Pokemon to a certain extent.
Example: In poker you don't make someone who had aces the previous hand get rid of aces he has in the current hand if he gets any. Or if he had a royal flush that if he has one the next hand he has to fold or toss some cards.
Semi better example: In RTS games you don't tell someone who builds a super weapon he can only use it once and then he can't use it again just because it will wreck havoc on your base/army, securing him a win.
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If ubers were allowed, then every team is likely to consist of something like:
Kyogre, Rayquaza, Mewtwo, Groudon, Darkrai, and Ho-oh.

This mean that all the other Pokemon are likely not to be picked, which creates an imbalance. amirite?
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My not playing by your internet rules kills your clause.
If that's the case, a Breloom that was baton passed a speed boost will easily wreak any team without sleep clause. "Not limiting" Pokemon ironically limits the game further as people will only choose the handful that are currently deemed as Uber.
 
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Limiting usage of Ubers and moves are exactly the same thing.
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It's a bit like in boxing, you don't match up a heavyweight verses a featherweight. One clearly has the upper hand. You may see them in say an exhibition match but not in a competitive setting.
 
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It's a bit like in boxing, you don't match up a heavyweight verses a featherweight. One clearly has the upper hand. You may see them in say an exhibition match but not in a competitive setting.
But putting them in their own weight brackets doesn't stop either of them from using certain punches repeatedly, nor from dancing around their opponent a certain amount of times.
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Well in boxing you're not allowed to hit under the belt, spit, bite, kick, or headbutt the opponent. These can be view as the many clauses in a competitive Pokemon match (i.e. sleep, species, evasion clauses) as they may give an unfair advantage either of the two sides.

So long as you and your opponents can agree if are are certain restrictions (or lack thereof) and have fun, there's really nothing else you should really question.

I meant to point out that there are certain restrictions in competitive play, not come off as this incredibly anal Pokemon player.
 
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Well in boxing you're not allowed to hit under the belt, spit, bite, kick, or headbutt the opponent. These can be view as the many clauses in a competitive Pokemon match (i.e. sleep, species, evasion clauses) as they may give an unfair advantage either of the two sides.

So long as you and your opponents can agree if are are certain restrictions (or lack thereof) and have fun, there's really nothing else you should really question.

I meant to point out that there are certain restrictions in competitive play, not come off as this incredibly anal Pokemon player.
After browsing several netbattle forums to see what people are QQing about now that my days of battling are long past(R.I.P Manly 151) you didn't come off as anal. As when I did it the only rule per se was no more then one Mewtwo which was usually the last thing called out. I'm a status effect *****, always have been always will. Even my card decks were based on status effects. Anything that pissed people off I usually used as once you get someone in a fight to snap they pretty much don't focus on whats happening and start making mistakes and mind games are half the battle.
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Anyway, what you mentioned about countering Mewtwo only works in the first generation, now in this 4th generation known as the DP generation, many things have changed such as the advent of Stealth Rock etc. with many new skills so its not that simple to counter the same pokemon you may used to be able to counter in previous generations. Also, if you refuse to play by the standard net rules, then finding people to battle with is gonna be real hard, cos many people will not want to play with you.

Latias may no longer be uber in certain cases yes, but I had a feeling some will still regard her as uber so best to leave her as uber for now. I also don't understand why Garchomp is uber, but thats just what they regard him now as, anyway.

@Belphybear: Deoxys-A, Palkia and Arceus also deserves mention since they are also fearsome pokemons even in the uber tier itself. Especially Palkia, since Kyogre + Palkia is very deadly and from what I've heard, Palkia doesn't even have a true counter.
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I think we could make our own version of the tier list for this site, unless we all use Shoddy. :x
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Umm, I know I'm late but,

Garchomp could be haxed due to it's speed capabilities as well as attack capabilities.
(Therefore, it could KO something in one shot)

I fought one on Wifi and it was uber fast and strong. I only managed to kill it 'cuz it missed with Dragon Rush and my Porygon-Z used Ice Beam.

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Not to mention it also has STAB Earthquake (which isn't rare) paired with it's beast Attack and Speed stat.
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I wouldn't care if we made our own tier, but it wouldn't be very different from what's on Shoddy. I mean honestly, their tier is probably the best way to keep it fair. If anything, people would want Garchomp in OU so they could use it, but really, that'd be the only change I can think of.
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I'm not really sure why Garchomp changed from OU to Uber until recently. One reason I read for the change was because of its speed and attack plus it has STAB Earthquake AND Outrage. But you could have gotten that before through breeding and/or usage of the Earthquake TM.
 
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"Recent" is relative. To me that's still relatively recent.
 
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Hmm, I think Snorlax is an Uber? Or is it just OU?
It has a pretty good movepool, and it has really good ATT and DEF.
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Nuh uh. Snorlax is just OU (it may have fallen to UU). It has nice Attack, Special Defense, and HP, other than that I think it's pretty lacking. Though it's move pool is pretty nice. 80
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Okay, I thought it was. D8
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