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Google, the world's largest Internet search engine, said Tuesday that it may pull out of China because of a sophisticated computer network attack originating in China and targeting its e-mail service.
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Google said it had evidence to suggest that "a primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts" of Chinese human rights activists. The attack was discovered in December.
Based on its investigation to date, Google said it does not believe the cyber attack succeeded. "Only two Gmail accounts appear to have been accessed, and that activity was limited to account information (such as the date the account was created) and subject line, rather than the content of emails themselves," the company said in a blog posting.
But David Drummond, Google senior vice president and chief legal officer, added that the attacks "have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of our business operations in China."
Google has further decided it is no longer willing to continue censoring its search results in Chinese Google sites, Drummond said, and over the next few weeks it will discuss with the Beijing government how it may operate "an unfiltered search engine within the law, if at all," he said.
"We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China," he said.
At least 20 other large companies have been similarly targeted with such attacks, Google said. The firms' industries range from finance and technology to media and chemicals.
"We have taken the unusual step of sharing information about these attacks with a broad audience not just because of the security and human rights implications of what we have unearthed, but also because this information goes to the heart of a much bigger global debate about freedom of speech," Drummond said.
In a separate development, Google officials said, the company discovered that the Gmail accounts of dozens of China human rights advocates in the United States, China and Europe "appear to have been routinely accessed by third parties." The hacking occurred most likely through phishing scams -- luring users to download malicious software by opening innocent-looking e-mails -- or malware placed on users' computers, rather than by breaking into Google's corporate infrastructure, the company said.
China is among a handful of countries considered to have impressive cyber offensive capabilities, but U.S. officials have refrained from publicly accusing the country because determining with certainty who is behind an attack is quite difficult.
Attacks against China rights activists have been growing, however, and suspicion has fallen on the Beijing government or its broad army of proxies.
When Google set up a subsidiary in China in 2005 and purchased servers hosted in the country, it agreed to censor its search results. But the company and the government officials trolling the Internet have continued to clash over what content should be blocked.
The conflicts escalated in June when Beijing blamed Google for smut on the Internet, saying that some search results could be considered pornographic. The government ordered Google to halt foreign Web searches. Many Chinese bloggers pointed out that Chinese search engines would produce the same results but only the foreign company was singled out for blame in headlines in the state-run People's Daily and New China News Service.
That same month China temporarily blocked Google.com and Gmail in what was believed to be a punishment.
TL;DR: China tried to access Chinese Gmail accounts of activists. Personally, even though it's China, its still an invasion of privacy in my mind.

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I feel like laughing. China is so silly. And now that the news is worldwide... GG China.

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Sounds like fail. DO IT GOOGLE!!
 
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China's already going ahead economic wise than any other country, so they're probably gonna make their own google or something.

...they own like 1/4th of the world's population anyways;;
I think it would hurt google more...
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China's already going ahead economic wise than any other country, so they're probably gonna make their own google or something.

...they own like 1/4th of the world's population anyways;;
I think it would hurt google more...
Google has to censor a lot of the things that can be searched.

Since the internet is literally like 90% of stuff China hates, Google doesn't do much in China does it?
 
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Google is also a business. If they put so much work into their project and it isn't even accessible, it won't be profitable. With that said, it just makes sense to pull the plug.
 
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Well, they still have Yahoo! and MSN and Ask and what else?
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... bing?
And every other terrible search engine that companies attempt to make.
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Do it Google. DO IT.
 
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Pfft. We all know Google is bigger than China. Google should just buy out China. Totally.
 
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they're probably gonna make their own google
China already has their own search engine, its called Baidu, the Chinese population use this site more than Google.

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Pfft. We all know Google is bigger than China. Google should just buy out China. Totally.
Think again. Google's worth is no where near China's national income, in fact, Microsoft still has higher stocks than Google. I think you are confusing fact with blind assumptions and personal opinion.

To make this perfectly clear, FBI monitors our emails every second of our lives, and yet no one complains about it.

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Well look at that, "We don't know who it actually is, but we're going to blame the Chinese government anyways."
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Hearing this just makes me think of Fallout..Oh no, they're going to nuke us over Google. >_>
 
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There's talk on maple story forums that meso sellers were hacking email accounts to get at maple player accounts via password resets.

Maybe this was all a misunderstanding on the account of who the targets were~ after all they only managed to get to just TWO of the activists? maybe they were maplers too.
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I think you are confusing fact with blind assumptions and personal opinion.

To make this perfectly clear, FBI monitors our emails every second of our lives, and yet no one complains about it.
Hmm, really? Can you prove that? Or is this irony?~

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Well look at that, "We don't know who it actually is, but we're going to blame the Chinese government anyways."
They bought the suspicion on themselves. Their statements, actions, laws, policies, etc..... highly implicates it. It doesn't prove that their guilty if you're arguing with the law, but the majority's opinion has a bigger impact that you might think~
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Whats up with China these days man...
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KILL THE GOLD SELLERS!

... or at least put a dent in 'em.
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I dont think google.cn is even popular in china and there are plenty of search engines. Also consdiering the fact that only 2 accts got hacked, that really tells you how many ppl in China actually use their engine, ROFL. I think google is a great company, but at the same time i think they are over reacting to minor issues. They complained about censoring too much of their contents, but isnt this what they agreed to initially? so y regret now? If they really want to terminate their relationship with China, then just do it. Why bother coming up with lame excuses to do so.
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... or at least put a dent in 'em.
When it comes to Maple's gold sellers and hackers, i don't even think you can put a dent in them, they have a Wolverine-like healing ability.

Hackers in mapleSEA actually HACKED the database, and were making gacha spit out godly items with every ticket they used.

"China is among a handful of countries considered to have impressive cyber offensive capabilities,"

Given what just their gamers are capable of. I find this very true.
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When it comes to Maple's gold sellers and hackers, i don't even think you can put a dent in them, they have a Wolverine-like healing ability.

Hackers in mapleSEA actually HACKED the database, and were making gacha spit out godly items with every ticket they used.
Maple, Ragnarok, WoW, La Tale... but FFXI is still free of them even after so many years, hehe. I haven't been on Global MS lately though, but I never really saw them as too much of a problem since Basil generally covers my FM needs, so I don't have to compete spamming with them in FM ch.1. The hacking thing though really sucks.
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I dont think google.cn is even popular in china and there are plenty of search engines. Also consdiering the fact that only 2 accts got hacked, that really tells you how many ppl in China actually use their engine, ROFL. I think google is a great company, but at the same time i think they are over reacting to minor issues. They complained about censoring too much of their contents, but isnt this what they agreed to initially? so y regret now? If they really want to terminate their relationship with China, then just do it. Why bother coming up with lame excuses to do so.
lol they QQed because their security system couldnt stand against hackers
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