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Yet the indictment seems odd in some ways. When Viacom made many of the same charges against YouTube, it didn't go to the government and try to get Eric Schmidt or Chad Hurley arrested.

It's also full of strange non-sequiturs, such as the charge that "on or about November 10, 2011, a member of the Mega Conspiracy made a transfer of $185,000 to further an advertising campaign for Megaupload.com involved a musical recording and a video." So?

Law professor James Grimmelmann of New York Law School tells Ars, "If proven at trial, there's easily enough in the indictment to prove criminal copyright infringement many times over. But much of what the indictment details are legitimate business strategies many websites use to increase their traffic and revenues: offering premium subscriptions, running ads, rewarding active users
Why the feds smashed Megaupload

The guilty in the company that were promoting the piracy are being arrested and put in trial, which is fine. But nuking everything? Half or so of the ammo they're using as justification is pretty thin too, as noted, they are legitimate strategies. The legit users should AT LEAST be given a chance to grab their files and put it elsewhere.

Youtube is pretty easy to share, and pretty easy to get around their copyright safeguards. Youtube's been the target of some legal action too, but it was nowhere as severe and crazy as Megauploads. Some of the weak ammo used against Megaupload even applies to Youtube! If you still don't think Youtube is as easy to share copyrighted stuff...

Well, what about other filesharing sites? The only difference is the possibility some of their staff doesn't promote piracy, and some of them don't offer the same benefits to users. But they're all still used to distribute illegal content.
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In this case is not fair at all if they make profit ( piracy ), but if they stopped trying to sell something that is not at the level of its cost now, maybe they'd sell more . . .

Taking down MU like that wasn't fair at all for the people that invested on it ( legally ), neither smart at this time .

Also, MEGAUPLOAD IS BACK, NEW MEGAUPLOAD SITE - The leading online storage and file delivery service - . They're fighting back - Not sure if it's real, though o-o
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No, that's a troll/joke site.
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Continued storage is dependent upon regular downloads of the file occurring. Files not downloaded are rapidly removed in most cases, whereas popular downloaded files are retained.
that's not true though. if you had an account you had a set amount of storage space that would stay, regardless of downloads.
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but if they stopped trying to sell something that is not at the level of its cost now, maybe they'd sell more . . .
I am indeed aware that this is a whole different issue, but who decides what the "proper" costs are? As far as I know, there are tons of pirates who would never pay for games or music, no matter how low they cost. Hell, songs are only 99 cents in most online music stores, yet music piracy is still rampant.

Even anime in the west is really cheap now. You can get COMPLETE anime series for the price of one new game, or even less (hell, I just recently bought the Code Geass 1st Season complete collection for only 29.99 USD online). Yet I know plenty of people who still wouldn't buy anime.

Just in case anyone is curious where to buy legit, localized anime DVDs and Blurays, Rightstuf.com is a great place to order anime online, and they pretty much ship worldwide (except for Japan, lols).

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Taking down MU like that wasn't fair at all for the people that invested on it ( legally ), neither smart at this time .
Piracy isn't exactly fair to the hardworking artists and developers either and, in a lot of different countries, is also illegal.
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Coming from the music perspective, unless a musician is super goddamn popular, they probably won't make much money from actual record sales. They make virtually no money from albums sold on Itunes. Most of that money goes to whatever label they're signed to. Most musicians make money from merchandising and live shows. If you want to support a musician, buy a shirt or go to a show. Also, MU's CEO is a musician. Hell, just look at this Ad:

 
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Yes, I am aware that musicians do not get 100% of the money made from the sales of their songs and albums, but does that mean it's suddenly okay to not pay them for their works? They spend their time making those songs and selling them on online stores, charging a pretty damn fair price for them. Android app developers don't get 100% of the money made from app sales either. Does that mean pirating apps is okay too?

The point is, these artists and developers spend their precious time making these products to try and sell them, and perhaps make it big. They're doing it for business, not for charity. Just because the CEO of MU is a musician doesn't really justify all of MU's criminal charges.
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Yes, I am aware that musicians do not get 100% of the money made from the sales of their songs and albums, but does that mean it's suddenly okay to not pay them for their works? They spend their time making those songs and selling them on online stores, charging a pretty damn fair price for them. Android app developers don't get 100% of the money made from app sales either. Does that mean pirating apps is okay too?

The point is, these artists and developers spend their precious time making these products to try and sell them, and perhaps make it big. They're doing it for business, not for charity. Just because the CEO of MU is a musician doesn't really justify all of MU's criminal charges.
The point is, most musicians don't care if you pirate their work, they care if you listen to it. If an upstart musician's album is uploaded to a file sharing network and a bunch of people download it, it's basically free publicity without the middleman of a label. Someone will hear it, if they really like it, they might blog about it and even more people will be made aware of the musician's and before you know it that musician will have a ton more fans who will go to his live shows and buy his merchandise. He'll be making money directly, not just feeding off of the leftover scraps from labels.

The only people complaining about piracy on file sharing websites like MU are gigantic record labels like UMG who've probably made more money in the past week than you'll make in a lifetime. They're not artists, they're corporate business men. They're just looking to absolutely maximize their profits and they think that stomping out website like MU is the road to achieving that.

Also, you might want to take a look at these:
Swedish Study Shows File Sharing And Music Buying Go Hand-In-Hand | Techdirt

Movie industry buries report proving pirates are great consumers | Geek.com

http://www.osnews.com/story/24376/Pi...udy_Concludes/

EDIT: Also, the American anime industry is dying because it's largely ran by incompetent ****balls and really the age of anime being huge in America is just over. But that's for another thread.

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Talks about legal file-sharing. Spends most of the (brief) article on Spotify which pays for the rights to distribute music. I don't think this helps you too much.

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Can't comment too much on this. The article is too brief and the study is all in Japanese so I can't judge too much. However, the abstract reveals that some money is lost in the rental business and is neutral on sales (Winny) while YouTube gains money in the rental business and boosts purchases.

I question whether you read these or just thought their titles were pretty.
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His point isn't whether it's legal or not. The point is that file-sharing increases sales and earnings by getting exposures and publicity.
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His point isn't whether it's legal or not. The point is that file-sharing increases sales and earnings by getting exposures and publicity.
Arguable. That study focused around Spotify, which as I mentioned is legal. Spotify pays for the rights to make the songs available for free. There's not way I know of to rip a song off Spotify without paying for one of their premium accounts. Therefore, if a user wanted to listen to a song on their music player, they would need to buy it (the song/CD or Spotify, both generate profit for the company anyways). Whereas with pirating the song is only bought once and distributed to people who don't pay, potentially lowering sales.
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You still completely missed his point. Now I wonder if you read them or just glanced at them to pick out pretty words to use in your replies.
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You still completely missed his point. Now I wonder if you read them or just glanced at them to pick out pretty words to use in your replies.
From his post, I draw that musicians do not get most of their money from sales, but rather public appearances. The record company is the one who relies on the sales to make their money. Spotify is legal. Spotify pays the record companies/artists to use their songs. Record companies still get sales because people cannot obtain the song in a portable form without buying a premium Spotify account (and Spotify pays the companies anyways so it's okay), so they buy the song or record.

Legal file-sharing may increase sales, but as far as I can tell, Justice's point is that piracy still increases sales. Which is left somewhat unanswered by the third article.
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Talks about legal file-sharing. Spends most of the (brief) article on Spotify which pays for the rights to distribute music. I don't think this helps you too much.
I'm questioning whether you read this article and completely comprehended its contents. Yes, it talks about Spotify but it also talks about file sharing. It never explicitly calls it illegal file sharing but it's heavily implied since the article mentions Sweden's legislation against file sharing and the fact that people file sharing are explicitly stated to be obtaining music, but still paying for music just as much people who only get music legally. Also, it mentions the PIRATE Party. The article definitely wasn't talking about legal file sharing.
 
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the weird ranting guy with a beard made another video. this one is focused on megaupload. of course it's a lot of misinformation.

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No one is saying it was okay for Megaupload to do some of what it did (The illegal actions of the arrested!). It was a load of crap how they just shut down, and presumably, deleted everything hosted from the face of the web. It had pirated content on it, like just about any other data sharing site, but it was not a pirating site. It wasn't Pirate Bay, or any other site that specifically makes their purpose to obtain and distribute pirated content.

It was a filesharing service. And there were a huge amount of legit users, and legit files on there. It was not fair to just destroy everything when not everything was illegal, and I'm willing to bet most of the stuff was LEGAL. If it was fine blowing Megaupload up without allowing compensation for the legit users, then again, wouldn't it be fine to shut down every other type of data sharing site then? Mediafire, Fileshare, Youtube, Metacafe, blogging sites, etc. All legit services, with plenty of legit users. But I'm sure you'd have to agree, it would be a load of crap for the legit users to suddenly close those sites down.

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Video games are the most expensive entertainment medium, hands down. $60 for a new game, that would last you 20-30 hours? Damn. Thus, it's not an achievement when something is as "cheap" as video games. Unfortunately, Anime in the West appears to be even more expensive than that. The first season of CG for $30? So, $30 for (I'll even be lenient with the time of each episode!) Twenty-five 25min episodes. That's about 10 hours worth of content for $30. If we get another season at the same price, it'd be $60 for 20 hours...the lower end of our video games!
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Not when you consider that a new DVD is at least $15, for what, at most about a couple hours? So $15 x 4 = $60, that's roughly 8-12 hours. Games are cheaper but the price drops slower than movies. And that's not even going into blu-ray.

Manga and anime are far more expensive though. It takes what, half an hour to read one tankoban, which costs $8-15? And then single dvds for anime (not sets) are what, $10-15?
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