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11-30-2011   #1 (permalink)
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Fellow entrepreneurs, Americans, anyone who still cares about this country at all -- this is a must read: By the end of this week, the US government very likely will have the power to lock up US citizens for life at Guantanamo Bay or other military prisons -- without charge and without trial. This means that, in the near future, a controversial Twitter post, attending a peaceful protest, or publishing an anti-Congress critique or anti-TSA rant on Google+ could land you "indefinite detention" for life, in the wording of the bill. No access to a lawyer, no access to trial.
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Kind of a sensationalist article, admittedly ("OMG Google it if you don't believe me!"). So,

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White House threatens veto over detainee policy

Senate keeps controversial detainee policy in defense bill

Udall Amendment rejected (Senate vote summary)

Official response from the White House (Nov 17)





Good god, first SOPA (Please don't forget that it is still a threat) and now this? Get me the hell off this planet.

The fact that something like this is even attempting to be passed is just outrageous.

Also, I've seen people remarking that this looks like a ploy to get the President to veto military funding so that that can be used against him in the election. Honestly, this is so ridiculous that I wouldn't doubt it that was part of it. Either way, this can't pass.
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I have no doubt this will pass. They'll just put anyone who disagrees in indefinite detention.
 
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So why are these people still around?
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^ guess who elected 'em x_x;

Getting them out is going to be a harder option, if most American citizens aren't detained.
 
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thats so... sudden
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This is coming from the same government that declared pizza a vegetable.

SMH my country.
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Not entirely correct. Pizza itself was not declared a vegetable. I believe it was like two or three cups of tomato sauce that was actually what was termed a "vegetable." i.e. So long as a pizza had the required amount of tomato sauce, then it would be considered "healthy," so to speak. A push for healthier foods in schools was rejected just prior to that, actually. So the alternative is warping the terms of what is considered healthy so that the less healthy foods stay in schools. Healthier options are too costly for schools, etc etc.

Besides the fact that tomatoes are not even vegetables anyway.



tl;dr lol America
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Not entirely correct. Pizza itself was not declared a vegetable. I believe it was like two or three cups of tomato sauce that was actually what was termed a "vegetable." i.e. So long as a pizza had the required amount of tomato sauce, then it would be considered "healthy," so to speak. A push for healthier foods in schools was rejected just prior to that, actually. So the alternative is warping the terms of what is considered healthy so that the less healthy foods stay in schools. Healthier options are too costly for schools, etc etc.

Besides the fact that tomatoes are not even vegetables anyway.



tl;dr lol America
It wasn't 2 or 3 cups of tomato sauce. It's 1/8th of a cup of tomato paste was declared to be equal in nutritional value to 1 whole cup of vegetables. It's how it is and how it has been. And what happened was Congress shot down a bill by the Obama administration which( among other things) would declare 1/2 a cup of tomato paste as being equal to 1/2 a cup of vegetables.

On topic, the article mentions that this amendment was being backed by Carl Levin(D) and John McCain(R). People can complain about Obama, but the guy who was pushing this amendment was the alternative.
 
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Bah I couldn't remember the amount. I just knew that it wasn't pizza that was being called a vegetable, which is the common misconception about it.

I stand corrected, good sir. /salute
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Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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Doesn't make it any less valid. Hardly anyone knows about it, apparently. I think it's worth throwing out there. With all the nutcases in the Senate, I wouldn't take anything they try to throw out too lightly, because you never know what could happen. I'm not going to dismiss this just because it's too outrageous to pass.
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The bill passed Senate. The USA is still only half a military police state, YAY!

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Rumor has it that they're attempting to do a "Media Blackout" regarding its passing, since it hasn't been reported in any major news network. Is that true?
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More like trying to keep people in the dark about it so there isn't even MORE outraged protesting than already is.
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Rumor has it that they're attempting to do a "Media Blackout" regarding its passing, since it hasn't been reported in any major news network. Is that true?
FOX of all things actually has a report of it on their website, so I find that highly unlikely. Major media outlets have always been more concerned about trivial bullshit, anyway.
 
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This ridiculous bill actually passed? Wow.
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(b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
16 AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
17 (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to 18 detain a person in military custody under
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21 (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The require
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25 taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
Overreactions are overreactions. As I mentioned in the OWS thread, it barely does anything if you're a citizen.

Here is the bill in case you're wondering. That part is section 1031/1032.
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