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Just while I was doing this.
Anyways, here are the required MAs for various skill levels for icebears.
These were done by calculating stuff based on the HP, MD and tolerance data from the wiki. The numbers agree with what is already posted (except for 1 skill which is 1 ma too low)


I am not going to test all of these values but anyone else is more than welcome to.
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Err, i'm really sorry but while taking screenshots i noticed the bears were named "Mine Bears" and looked around the mine, the chart is still good, i was attacking the wrong bears.

Is there anything i could help with though?
Ah, no problem!

There are a few skills missing. If you have any of the following, you're welcome to go ahead and test the MA requirement on any or all monsters listed. This goes for anyone who wants to help!

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Coal Soldier
  • Whirlwind
  • Raging Storm
  • Tornado Blast
  • Staff of Thunder
  • Light Wave
  • Celestial Strike

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  • Whirlwind
  • Raging Storm
  • Tornado Blast
  • Staff of Thunder
  • Light Wave

Gold Beetle
  • Cleaving Terra
  • Earthquake
  • Wind Blade
  • Raging Storm
  • Staff of Thunder
  • Light Wave
  • Celestial Strike

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  • Raging Storm
  • Electro Attack
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Note: Cleaving Terra, Earthquake, Wind Blade and Raging Storm should be tested with the Space skills on Gold Beetles.

Thanks, Cepheid, for reminding me.
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Here you go Care. Amount of MA needed to KOs Coal Soldiers using Staff of Thunder.
Credit goes to Cepheid for giving me the amount of MA needed. All I did was obey and test.

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  • Added the MA requirement to OHKO Coal Soldier with Staff of Thunder!

Thank you, SnowBerry!

Next time; please send screenshots and any other information to me via a private message. I'd rather not have them all over the thread. Would you mind editing them out of your post?


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  • The Tower of Chaos section has been re-added.
  • MA requirements for Electro Attack have been re-added to the Tower of Chaos section.

For anyone interested: I have gotten next to no information for the Fiesta Zones from anybody since I last posted. Only one person went out of their way to test Wind Blade, Raging Storm and Whirlwind at Fiesta Zone 5 - Jelly Fish Alert.

But this is nowhere near enough to warrant a section for Fiesta. I seem to recall people wanting a section for it, but aside from said person, absolutely no one has helped with it. May I ask why?

Also: To those that have helped with this thread in general; thank you, again.
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  • Electro Attack has been added to the Guardian Kerberos list.
  • Staff of Thunder has been added to the Guardian Kerberos list.
  • Fixed a mistake to Scorching Earth on the Guardian Kerberos list.

Thank you, Shanni!
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Does anyone here know how much MA is needed to OHK Ice Bears with Ghostly whispers??
 
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+Rep to anyone who can accurately answer xSHiF7's question. You're free to post a screenshot as proof, but I ask that you remove it after he or she has seen it.

I don't have a Dark Lord, nor have I ever played one, so I unfortunately can't do it myself.

Edit: I'd actually forgotten about this skill, so I may make an exception to Dark skills and add it to the list.

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I don't know why, but it seems like you need less ma to ohko beetles with Electro Attack now
not sure about the exact amount but it's no more than 933 for sure ^^
do you to know what happened
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Vare just tested this and it would seem that it's incorrect. There has been no change.

I'm unsure what class you are, so; were you using Undine's Garden or did you have Elemental Attribute during the time you were killing them?

Okay, now I'm really confused. Vare cannot OHKO with 1478 MA (screenshot), but Onoo can OHKO with 1341 MA (screenshot).

Something is off. Either this is a glitch, or a change that is not fully working. It appears to not only be with Electro Attack, either.

The only differences between these two screenshots:
  • Onoo is a Hybrid Light Dragon living on the Jewelia server
  • Nikeos is a Soul Master living on the Fantasia server

Both have Electro Attack mastered, and both are also level 400. I wonder what's up?

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Confirmed that it's not class, gender or build related. Suspecting that it's server related, but even if it is; it's still unclear on whether it's intended or not.

And for some reason, Onoo cannot OHKO at Swamp Mine with Electro Attack and 1341 MA even though he can at Snow and Relics. Weird.
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Doesent Elec Attrb effect Electro Attack if so then Onno might have more elec attrb then Vare
 
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Yes, it does. But neither of them had Elemental Attribute on.
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Maybe you should get 2 more Fantasian and 2 more Jewelians
Both lv 400
With both 1.4k MA and test it on gold Beatles in snow mine if the Jewlelians can OHK the beattles and the fantasians can't then there must be a server bug PS:Sorry about my spelling
 
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According to this thread, mobs are weaker after a server was successful at harkon which would explain the difference between the 2.
 
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I'm aware of that thread. The problem there is: Gold Beetles at Snow and Relic Mine could be OHKO'd with 1341 MA, while Swamp Mine could not be.

How would you explain this when it's the exact same monster in all three areas? This is where the confusion lies.
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Out of curiosity, were the numbers tested after a successful attempt? It would help narrow it down.
 
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I'm aware of that thread. The problem there is: Gold Beetles at Snow and Relic Mine could be OHKO'd with 1341 MA, while Swamp Mine could not be.

How would you explain this when it's the exact same monster in all three areas? This is where the confusion lies.
Are you sure about the snow mine part? I went to grind a few exp yesterday and my electro attack still needs like 1490-1492ma to KO.
If you like me to help test im available, im a lv321 Soul Master.

Edit: The only thing I can think of is the beetles are glitched making their resistant lower in some area.
 
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Yes, I'm sure. Onoo tested in all three Mines.

You're free to test any and everything you want.

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I have absolutely no idea. The time of the testing was at around 4:10PM PST yesterday, however.
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That happens alot to me lately, I Ohko Bats with Mana Storm sometimes and sometimes I cant ohko them with the same MA.
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