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5 - Outstanding. I'm amazed that you all pulled this off! 29 35.80%
4 - It was pretty good but some things need some major attention. 34 41.98%
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So player 1 will pick the options such as forest or city, set effects on or off, then player 2 picks round 2? For the third round, I donno o.o. A compromise perhaps? or Auto set..

It's fair. I mean, Klunian developers are the ones developing the game and setting the rules for the tourny. I think it would be most fair if we included forest and set effects. As for free or Balanced, that deals more with whether or not players should get the the amount of benefits they farmed for. The next patch fixes the weakness of 70-75s compared with 66-69s( depending on class..).
 
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The problem with set effects is that some are overpowered compared to others.

There's L Rotem: Whenever you take damage from your opponent, at a certain %, you can't get hit by physical attacks for a few seconds.

L Drake: 7.5% MP Regeneration. Unlimited MP in balance.

Eternal Flame: Dragon flute at 50% chance after using level 60 skill.

Myth 1: +50% damage for all attacks.

PvP Equips: Opponent can't use skills for a certain amount of time, Reversed controls.

A number of these have effects that just make them overpowered, and people that rely on set effects won't be able to advance. You have to be able to PvP with your own skill, not rely on some set bonus that OHKO's the opponent or makes you OHKO them in seconds.
Well, some of the set effect do can be overpowered to some of the classes, but I don't think it should be restricted or disabled unless it's only round 1 (so we can select the one who's really good).

If you guys are saying: "Enabling set effect give too much advantage to certain player, and it sometimes require less skill, so we should disable them." if that's the case, why not have all ppl go naked and fight? That way whoever win (exclude lag issue) is the true winner.

Like for me, who wear full kanhel set, obviously no yuki's gonna like me. But have you thought? How many damage/stat I lose if wearing 6 piece of kanhel set? So it's my fault for liking set effect more than stat? I can't wear what I like?

Beside, having set effect on means that unexpected situation can suddenly happen, IMO, whoever can adjust these situations quickly and still be able to perform his skill/combo should be the real pro and winner.


EDIT: Sieg's MD can last up to 22 seconds with 2 min CD, but it's not like mage can't do anything about it, he can still melee + a few skills.

Kanhel's ice immune effect can last up to 10 seconds with 5% chance, but it's not like no pro Yuki cannot melee and still combo me.

There's really not much difference, except your luck of 5%, you can have it activated so many times in a match, you can also have it activated only a few times.

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Lunar ;-; , please explain to us how the setting works and the body trap thingy. Like which body traps are legal and which ones are not. Or all illegal.
 
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Oh and there's something I wanted to suggest.

Can you record the video in less-quality setting? So the game would run a bit smoother.
I mean, having high quality is great, but it's really hard to get excited about when the screen's all lagging everywhere.

Even if the character or their skill animation is a bit blurred, you can still quite clearly see what they're doing (more fast paced too). Also this would mean smaller size of video too, which also means less time to upload them.

Really, I thank you for taking your time to record those high quality video, but think about it? =]
 
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It's come to my attention that one could perceive my post as an attack on you.

The subject of the post I quoted was quite ambiguous (form my point of view) and I thought it was discussing our round 4 videos. Because I believed there was a question of whether or not our set effects were enabled, I sought to clarify.

My apologies if it was perceived as such - it was not intended.
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Oh and there's something I wanted to suggest.

Can you record the video in less-quality setting? So the game would run a bit smoother.
I mean, having high quality is great, but it's really hard to get excited about when the screen's all lagging everywhere.

Even if the character or their skill animation is a bit blurred, you can still quite clearly see what they're doing (more fast paced too). Also this would mean smaller size of video too, which also means less time to upload them.

Really, I thank you for taking your time to record those high quality video, but think about it? =]
I agree, lower quality videos are better then laggy videos. several times i had to stop watching a video because i cant stand the lag.
 
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It's come to my attention that one could perceive my post as an attack on you.

The subject of the post I quoted was quite ambiguous (form my point of view) and I thought it was discussing our round 4 videos. Because I believed there was a question of whether or not our set effects were enabled, I sought to clarify.

My apologies if it was perceived as such - it was not intended.
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Lunar ;-; , please explain to us how the setting works and the body trap thingy. Like which body traps are legal and which ones are not. Or all illegal.
i thought i mentioned body trap already..
all normal body traps without invinci frames basically ones u can escape
example of ones u can't use... BCB because it hits air and ground, dacy's invinci because they last extremely long and she can cancel some for downattk

an invinci that i do not know if it is legal would be lime's RRT (but i'd assume it's illegal cause its invinci'ed)

legal ones would be sieg's S at wall (many ppl see me do it)
any body trap with a char and a normal attack since ur both equally in terms of being able to hit the target

as for the set effect rules... when i ask KLunians.. they just said "sometimes" so i'm assuming it's user choice maybe they vote or something
set effects are far from overpowered since almost all 65+ chars get the elf hero set for 50% dmg so everyone has access to it
dragon flute seems overpowered but it usually reduces dmg such as IH cannot be used on the ground after blow and has to be used as a launcher unless u want to risk the 50%
only ones that affect the match are immunity and skill disables because they are combo counters which are random and the opponent cannot see when it activates
L drake is far from unlimited MP in balance... i've ran out of mp with it on. even if thundercandy is doing 1k dmg each 75 mp per hit for like 3-4 doesn't refill all the way, plus to play a dacy properly u must spam randomly sometimes or (predict spam) which eats ur mp.

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Oh and there's something I wanted to suggest.

Can you record the video in less-quality setting? So the game would run a bit smoother.
I mean, having high quality is great, but it's really hard to get excited about when the screen's all lagging everywhere.

Even if the character or their skill animation is a bit blurred, you can still quite clearly see what they're doing (more fast paced too). Also this would mean smaller size of video too, which also means less time to upload them.

Really, I thank you for taking your time to record those high quality video, but think about it? =]
btw.. ur not forced to view in high quality
click the embedded video to link to the original site for smooth viewing
i did the same mistake and blamed it on noe's frapsing way back

but i do suggest the lower quality for the first few rounds since they are less important and have more video's to upload

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^I think he meant for Noe to lower his graphics.
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Oh and there's something I wanted to suggest.

Can you record the video in less-quality setting? So the game would run a bit smoother.
I mean, having high quality is great, but it's really hard to get excited about when the screen's all lagging everywhere.

Even if the character or their skill animation is a bit blurred, you can still quite clearly see what they're doing (more fast paced too). Also this would mean smaller size of video too, which also means less time to upload them.

Really, I thank you for taking your time to record those high quality video, but think about it? =]
would mean it's video quality
video size doesn't go down from ingame settings

but i can always be wrong
 
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oh I meant the video quality o_O
(like normal quality/higher quality)

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I agree, lower quality videos are better then laggy videos. several times i had to stop watching a video because i cant stand the lag.
To solve this, given that it's FPS lag and not internet lag, it can be solved by turning down graphics (ie. particle effects, trilinear, AA, etc.). That would fix the jumping problem that a lot of people seem to complain about.

Of course another possibility is the recording program simply lags Lunia, in which case... blah. o.o

I felt it was executed rather well. Since, I'm sure, rules will be refined the next time around to avoid any mishaps that may have occured, I have nothing else to really say. o.o

Maybe someone can add music to the videos like the kLunia ones? >_>
 
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Maybe someone can add music to the videos like the kLunia ones? >_>
My only concern with this is the music industry. In the US they BAW BAW BAW about their music being used without royalties and I don't want to have youtube rip our video down just because I dubbed "Eye of the Tiger" over the final round.
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if u do not call anything wut's a judge for.. just a spectator?
QFT, the players should be concentrating on the battle, not on if illegal moves are being done, that should be what the judge is for.
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Of course another possibility is the recording program simply lags Lunia, in which case... blah. o.o
Yeah, this was a huge problem for me. Fraps normally displays your FPS and in normal settings I was getting well over 60, more than smooth -- but as soon as I started recording the average FPS often fell to around 20 when people were actually using skills and sometimes as low as 3-4 FPS for several seconds at a time. Even after I encoded the videos some of them were just plainly horrible and the rounds that were ruined like that are the ones I was unable to upload from the games I watched.

I don't really have any experience with video and asking friends didn't get me much that helped, so if anyone has some suggestions that don't involve just getting a better computer they'd be greatly appreciated.
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QFT, the players should be concentrating on the battle, not on if illegal moves are being done, that should be what the judge is for.
There was a really good reason for this. I was the only one on staff that could devote as much time to the tournament as I did. Seeing as how I created a Lunia character 4 days before tournament start I had no idea what I was looking at. m1s gave me a crash course in combos so I wasn't completely in the dark.

As the tournament wrapped up I got a better understanding of what was going on and how to judge the melee strings but if I had to leave this in the hands of our Lunia veterans... it wouldn't have happened.

We're addressing whether or not this is necessary in future tournaments - but it was absolutely necessary for this one.
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@mis: you did try the obvious I assume? Close all unused/uneeded programs and etc. well if that doesn't work then update graphic card driver and etc. Well otherwise that's all I could think of.

Set bonuses...well it depends on everyone but still rather...if you're going to turn on set bonuses, might as well allow pets too then. But turning the tides/tables is really what tourneys are about though...like it makes things more interesting it gives more of an edge or brings more interest. Assuming we get the skill/balance patch then chances are balance would be good for me.

Oh...like ulti and some others have said the city/forest alteration seems better anyways.
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@mis: you did try the obvious I assume? Close all unused/uneeded programs and etc. well if that doesn't work then update graphic card driver and etc. Well otherwise that's all I could think of.

Set bonuses...well it depends on everyone but still rather...if you're going to turn on set bonuses, might as well allow pets too then. But turning the tides/tables is really what tourneys are about though...like it makes things more interesting it gives more of an edge or brings more interest. Assuming we get the skill/balance patch then chances are balance would be good for me.

Oh...like ulti and some others have said the city/forest alteration seems better anyways.
pets are cash and set effects aren't... although ppl can buy the card but the main ones like elf hero cannot be carded
there are also the cs clothing.. but... those u can buy with gold since they're tradable other than that.. the bonus from +1dfist isn't as high as a crit dfist.

but in round 4 finals there were pets used on first life... i'm guessing they forgot to remove.. GM's dont interupt the match..
this brings me to another flaw of this tourney... dont say anything to the player.. judge and tell them after the match.
one match with lock i saw the judge tell him to remove pet... basically he stood there for like 6 secs allowing opponent to get a free combo...
since this isn't hosted by GM's with super shout that can be seen everywhere and blocks the middle of ur screen that'd be the best solution
unless noe can get some GM powered accts to give to judges

plus... i turn off all chat viewing when i play can't see anything

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In my personal opinion no gear, no pets, no set effects etc. Seeing as its in balance it just levels the playing ground even more making it less of "LOLOLOL I WIN BECAUSE I HAVE SET X/Y/Z" and more of you win based on your personal skill and luck not RNG.
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In my personal opinion no gear, no pets, no set effects etc. Seeing as its in balance it just levels the playing ground even more making it less of "LOLOLOL I WIN BECAUSE I HAVE SET X/Y/Z" and more of you win based on your personal skill and luck not RNG.
that's y we're saying optional.. if both players have x/y/z set.. having faster games benefits everyone
 
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Yes but set effects != skill, and that's what tournys are mainly about. Skill and fun.
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