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08-26-2009   #41 (permalink)
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^Same way I play! Also, Ryan does alot of dmg.
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Not really o_O

He's slightly above average, but he's nowhere near the best (excluding ground freeze combos). Magma Explosion does 700 to 1.1k (the higher end being reached by low levels and lvl 66~74 with 501+ str). Rapid rail gun does about 800 to 1.5k (400~750 per shot depending on lvl and str), and Iron bomb does about... 1.2k to 2k? Not sure with iron bomb, since it has to be decayed for all three shots to hit.

You could argue that it's harder to deal with such average damage on Ryan because he can catch easily, but then that's not his damage, but his speed that gives you a problem.
You could argue that his dmg is the highest with a ground amp rail, but then you would have to consider other ground combos or attacks that would be impolite, like Yuki's freezebind, Kali's notebind, and Dainn's fury and iw trap and ddb, and Tia's mine reset backstab.
You could also argue that Ryan's >>AS does a lot of damage, but then so does Arien's. If both chars had a dmg equip set, then Arien would actually do more if they could catch equally as well. Then there's also Tia's crits and poison.

All the reasonable Ryan complaints come down to his speed and his amp rail, and amp rail needs some carelessness on the opponent's part for getting hit by a ground freeze or iron bomb.

Ryan's catching ability would be broken if anyone could >>A*turn*S S quickly, frequently, and consistently, but so far I only see a handful that can do it well. When the number of expert Ryans are so low, don't you think you can give some credit to the player instead of giving it all to the character? People can respect a good Sieg who can windmill and sidestep effectively, so why not a good Ryan shifter?
 
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Not really o_O

He's slightly above average, but he's nowhere near the best (excluding ground freeze combos). Magma Explosion does 700 to 1.1k (the higher end being reached by low levels and lvl 66~74 with 501+ str). Rapid rail gun does about 800 to 1.5k (400~750 per shot depending on lvl and str), and Iron bomb does about... 1.2k to 2k? Not sure with iron bomb, since it has to be decayed for all three shots to hit.

You could argue that it's harder to deal with such average damage on Ryan because he can catch easily, but then that's not his damage, but his speed that gives you a problem.
You could argue that his dmg is the highest with a ground amp rail, but then you would have to consider other ground combos or attacks that would be impolite, like Yuki's freezebind, Kali's notebind, and Dainn's fury and iw trap and ddb, and Tia's mine reset backstab.
You could also argue that Ryan's >>AS does a lot of damage, but then so does Arien's. If both chars had a dmg equip set, then Arien would actually do more if they could catch equally as well. Then there's also Tia's crits and poison.

All the reasonable Ryan complaints come down to his speed and his amp rail, and amp rail needs some carelessness on the opponent's part for getting hit by a ground freeze or iron bomb.

Ryan's catching ability would be broken if anyone could >>A*turn*S S quickly, frequently, and consistently, but so far I only see a handful that can do it well. When the number of expert Ryans are so low, don't you think you can give some credit to the player instead of giving it all to the character? People can respect a good Sieg who can windmill and sidestep effectively, so why not a good Ryan shifter?
slight above avg and best catching in the game kinda makes him powerful
if this was a reply to dopi's post he said "ryans do a lot of dmg" meaning catching is a factor not just numbers

ironbomb stun is easily done

having low amount of good ryans doesn't mean anything...

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Soo many people flame me for being a Ryan and combo-ing etc, and its starting to irritate me to the point of BS, literally. iS IT THAT MUCH OF A DAM CRIME to be a Ryan in PVP?
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Ok, today in PVP, I was called a "noob" for not having a "style" i had no idea wth that was supposed to mean...and he was just doing "*sigh*", then, after the match, he was like "another nub Ryan".
I Agree that it is annyoing to be flamed at for being a class that has such overused buttons that nobody can escape BUT.

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If I'm on dainn and fighting anyone, I always start off kStyle. You should watch most of my matches. I always kStyle untill someone else breaks kStyle or starts run + spam then I bring out my fury, OoF, FDH, fire orb etc.
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You did this to my Krieg when I only have 6 attack skills that actually deal damage.
dainn has no way to get near krieg without the spams
 
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Considering how horrid I play and he beat me twice in a row...he does. x.x I don't S cancel like most people do. Not to mention I only have...

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^you have spam build? how2combo with that

and ya when i play with ryans i just kill them. imo they dont deserve to be treated with etiquette, especially on eir. i'll sleepbind without thinking twice unless im out of mp lolol. and on tia? pssh bombs TLS fang bs all the way.
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krieg has dfist? O_O
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"ONLY 6 SKILLS" ya.. my yuki ONLY has 3 lol
She's talking about Comet.
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Pretty much. Stage build is for the lose. D:
 
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^you have spam build? how2combo with that

and ya when i play with ryans i just kill them. imo they dont deserve to be treated with etiquette, especially on eir. i'll sleepbind without thinking twice unless im out of mp lolol. and on tia? pssh bombs TLS fang bs all the way.
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How do you not have damage skills? Every single one of those does good damage and can be comboed. The only gimmicky skill there is repulse but in all fairness, Repulse is a great damage skill in PvP if you know how to use it properly.

Far as Ryan goes, I've already stated several times my thoughts on him. He has a lot of user friendly aspects, as mentioned: Speed (both in attacking and moving), power, utility and so on.

I agree with John in that you should never play against a Ryan with etiquette on. Do whatever, whenever, no matter how cheap it is because beating a good Ryan is still a mighty feat in Lunia.
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my only complaint about him actually is his Freaking invincible frames. `-` hard to start a combo
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I wouldn't call his speed user-friendly, since it implies that he's fast even in the hands of beginners. There are even more Siegs who can windmill reliably than there are Ryans who can >>A(turn)S S consistently.

In my opinion, Ryan's etiqutte should be extended to include no freeze or merciless shot along with amp rail, but that's another story. Anyway, if etiquette is off against all Ryans, then don't get upset when you get ground freezed or amped.
 
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^Or you lag and get hit by a 2k stun bomb. :x
 
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Well.... I don't really agree with your ettiquette off while playing with ryans. I enjoy a challenge and thats why I've actually only used sleep bind like.... a few times in real matches, which is why I actually suck more while using it. If I get ground freezed then its my fault, I shouldn't have gotten hit in the first place. The only ryan that I thought was actually worth using sleepbind against was silky's ryan, but he's not that active anymore...
 
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Agreed with whoever Dopi is agreeing with.

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I dont usually freeze ppl, unless i warn them in the beginning of the match o_o
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Generally, Ryan's OP. You seem to play him with a sense of courtesy in mind, so anyone that starts flaming you is just angry that they're losing. Manners are pretty important...
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