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08-26-2009   #21 (permalink)
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Arien doesn't really cancel it fast enough (In other words, it's so slow I barely notice it). I have no problem 1st hitting an Arien even if she's spamming >>AS. I have BIG problems with Ryan because he cancels it fast enough and basically he can do >>AS cancel >>AS and hit me before I even get to land voke.

And yea, I've fought squish. He x-formed once against me on my Sieg and on my Dainn. He didn't x-form ever again. He bodylocked instead lol

I think he doesn't like eating 1-2k damage from each of my skills lol.
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Usually people don't like how much damage Ryan can do, so they assume that some Ryans only win because they do so much. Another reason you could be gettin' called names is that you, when not comboing, have good enough aim to actually hit people (a lot of pvpers don't understand that spamming takes at least some skill and prediction). Also, never use Amplified Rail Gun unless it will only hit 3-5 times when someone is frozen or iron-bombed at a wall.
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Usually people don't like how much damage Ryan can do, so they assume that some Ryans only win because they do so much. Another reason you could be gettin' called names is that you, when not comboing, have good enough aim to actually hit people (a lot of pvpers don't understand that spamming takes at least some skill and prediction). Also, never use Amplified Rail Gun unless it will only hit 3-5 times when someone is frozen or iron-bombed at a wall.
Unfortunately, this is the reason why I am so pissed at Ryans half the time. If they get lucky with a freeze, they just go, stand beside me, wait a bit, Amp, boom 80-90% HP damage. OHKO if I'm on Dainn (lol 6k HP)

If I BCB, they just amp me as I'm falling.
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Ah my bad. I meant to say when someone is frozen and stays frozen during the Amp'age so that they don't actually move with the amp rather than just absorbing a couple of its hits. Never amp someone across a map, or even part-way.
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Ah my bad. I meant to say when someone is frozen and stays frozen during the Amp'age so that they don't actually move with the amp rather than just absorbing a couple of its hits. Never amp someone across a map, or even part-way.
People amp me across a map no matter which character I'm on '-'
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Noobs! *lol*

Edit: But srsly, nearly every char has brought a knife to a gun-fight when playing Ryans...
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People amp me across a map no matter which character I'm on '-'
Brb, amping you for that cheap victory over my Krieg. >:
 
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If you're on dainn and fighting a ryan you never fought before, try not using fireorb and fury of land and he'll realize you're not a spammer. If he spams you his or your whole first life, then just bring out the spam. CBD LGF hand of earth space reset firebomb aas shift pillar ice rain continue, you know?
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Silly Huggy. We all know it goes like this.

*Stand in middle of City Arena/tournament*

Max Orb -> FDH -> BCB cancel -> Max Ice Arrow -> RoF cancel Fury -> AAS CBD max Fist

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Silly Huggy. We all know it goes like this.

*Stand in middle of City Arena/tournament*

Max Orb -> FDH -> BCB cancel -> Max Ice Arrow -> RoF cancel Fury -> AAS CBD max Fist

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wut's this AAS i see.. where ryans can invinci out of gg.. u have failed into a ryan combo

and hurray for yuki's i discovered anti stun skill
i've gotten 2 wtf's from itos lol
 
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haven't you fought squishable.....
u dont really LAND most of thoes stun hits >.<
gg icewall and run around for entire xform (weee for 700 normally and 1.4k crits fighting squish with aeh set >.<)
That squishy kid must be really good.

On topic, I only xform because you decide to spam your max FDH in my face and my Eruptions always get cancelled. Then you decided to abuse your AEH set to do 1k Furies with your lil purple pony so I felt like doing the same .

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wut's this AAS i see.. where ryans can invinci out of gg.. u have failed into a ryan combo

and hurray for yuki's i discovered anti stun skill
i've gotten 2 wtf's from itos lol
Ryans can invince out of about everything if it's too slow o.O
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Ryans can invince out of about everything if it's too slow o.O
True but I think he was saying that AAS will always have a gap in it while the gap between AA>>AS is generally lag induced or just a slow input or both.
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u get complaints no matter how u play....
then again so does every class
 
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True but I think he was saying that AAS will always have a gap in it while the gap between AA>>AS is generally lag induced or just a slow input or both.
This.

Some melee strings naturally have enough delay to where a Yuki can CBD, an Eir can Dodge, an Arien can use her Flame skills, a Sieg can use Play Dead, and Ryan can use his slide shots. However, Ryan's counter isn't instant like Yuki's, Arien's, Eir's, and Sieg's are, so the fact that Dainn's AAS is still escapable is pretty bad...
 
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This.

Some melee strings naturally have enough delay to where a Yuki can CBD, an Eir can Dodge, an Arien can use her Flame skills, a Sieg can use Play Dead, and Ryan can use his slide shots. However, Ryan's counter isn't instant like Yuki's, Arien's, Eir's, and Sieg's are, so the fact that Dainn's AAS is still escapable is pretty bad...
ryan's not instant?! do u not read the description it even says it's instant lol
it actually says 0.0~0.3 invincibility

while for eirs and yuki's i believe is actually 0.01 cast time which just cuts off into 0
 
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ryan's not instant?! do u not read the description it even says it's instant lol
it actually says 0.0~0.3 invincibility

while for eirs and yuki's i believe is actually 0.01 cast time which just cuts off into 0
I read the cast time for Ryan's slide shots as 0.31, so I would have thought that is when the invincibility starts. I guess it's not...
 
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Ryans have 0.3 seconds of instant invincibility, much like Sieg's Play dead (PD on BCB!). Eirs' dodge and Yuki's Dragon is never invincible, and can be canceled during its cast time (0.01 seconds).

Another interesting thing to note is that Dainns have a tiny gap between AA that can be invinced through. EDIT: Or yeah, dodged or whatever.

As for the OP, that's just how (almost) everyone who still plays is. Arrogant and kiddy. Don't let it get to you, just play how you feel like playing.

EDIT: @Below: Yes, very very true. And not only that, they start combos for themselves. 2 most op skills in the game imo.

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Nevertheless, Yuki's CBD and Eir's Dodge still serve to get them out of combo holes.
 
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If you're on dainn and fighting a ryan you never fought before, try not using fireorb and fury of land and he'll realize you're not a spammer. If he spams you his or your whole first life, then just bring out the spam. CBD LGF hand of earth space reset firebomb aas shift pillar ice rain continue, you know?
If I'm on dainn and fighting anyone, I always start off kStyle. You should watch most of my matches. I always kStyle untill someone else breaks kStyle or starts run + spam then I bring out my fury, OoF, FDH, fire orb etc.
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