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Hey I have been thinking about maxing Kicking on my pvp sieg for quite a while. But still to this day I dont know if I should. I know the mp cost is a lot but the damage is good, no? I know some people get 1 Kicking and max Crosscut instead but I thought it would be fun to switch it up. Put your opinions below and discuss!
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Your MP would die so fast you couldn't do IH after using it for a minute. *Exaggeration but you know what I mean*. Cross Cut isn't used as often and it's DMG to MP ratio is much better than TK.
 
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Unless you went max int you would probably drain your MP in quite a speedy way. However, if you're going to max int, it would just make more sense to max damage or strength as then your damage would be superior to max kicking.
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LOL!!!! DONT!!!!!!!!!! I tried that in my built before sieg's buff update. I run out of mp within 1 min through the match -.-. But i had lvl 9 SS max CMS and lvl 6 FF though. and i tend to abuse those combos a lot
 
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Hey I have been thinking about maxing Kicking on my pvp sieg for quite a while. But still to this day I dont know if I should. I know the mp cost is a lot but the damage is good, no? I know some people get 1 Kicking and max Crosscut instead but I thought it would be fun to switch it up. Put your opinions below and discuss!
wait until after the patch... then u can decide
dmg...(kicking) or more dmg..(xcut)
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mana drainer or not mana drainer.
 
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Zyris used a maxed kicking build, and he could kill ppl just fine.
 
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^ so is apo (he quitted right?)
but I'd choose cc over kicks
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Actually, thinking back on it. I recall facing a Sieg during tft who had max kicking. It was devastatingly painful as it was hitting me for like 300 damage per hit and since almost all Sieg combos start with kicking it is a fresh hit.

Balanced was even more iffy about random power differences with level though back then, so I can't tell you for sure how much damage it would be doing in PvP now adays. I'm sure if you didn't waste any kickings it would be a decently viable damage skill, it's just... if you ever use it during a combo at max decay you're essentially wasting MP which is always the big obstacle with maxing combo skills. (Especially the best combo skill in the game, no class has a more reliable combo skill~)
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Zyris used a maxed kicking build, and he could kill ppl just fine.
he hated it though lol
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^ so is apo (he quitted right?)
but I'd choose cc over kicks
he came back and chose cc over kicking now

anyways.. *visited klunia*
get 3k mp and ur good to go with kicking! u can even use it in combos
3.7k mp allows u both kicking and xcut pwning all since ppl can get access to klunia now..
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yuck i remember this build~
used it myself once during gamengame, as the others say, id advise against =x youll be draining mana like theres no tomorrow

well honestly, i didnt quite max kicking. it was pretty high though, and mp cost was enough to make me cry. so many *no mp* animations.. killed me a few times~
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I dunno, I mean I can reach 3k but I'm still not sure if I should max it or not x_X
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when i finally decide to lvl my sieg again and max kicking i'll give my input lol
 
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when i finally decide to lvl my sieg again and max kicking i'll give my input lol
sounds like a deal.
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With max kicking, I suggest having at least 3k MP. 3k MP is enough for you to last normally even with max kicking. IMO, it's not worth it since if you have max CMS, high level SS/FF, level4 IMS etc., you'll run out of MP pretty fast if you abuse those combos.

If you have 501+ STR (I see you have 510), then maxing CC might be better. You probably do like 300 per slash, so AA >>AS CC cancel >>A would do like 700-800 damage.

Maxing kicking, you do around 150-200(?) a hit, so 525 dmg vs 600 dmg. Not sure of exact numbers... but CC is better from past experience.
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since ppl can get access to klunia now..
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what? how?
 
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Max kicking is doable, but it's still a hassle to keep your mana in check when there are better damaging skills with low cooldowns. Your combos should last longer than eight seconds, so I doubt you'll be using triple kick right when it finishes its cd. The only two things max kicking has over max crosscut is the fact that you have more melee options after it (kick followed by *shift*A or S vs CC followed only by space), and the fact that kicking's cast time is low enough for you to use for space resets.
 
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back in TFT i had made a *starter seig* that had a build of both Max Kicking and CC and it didnt turn out so well. Id lose like 112-145 MP for 1 skill. In other words

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^ Or play with set effects on and abuse 2 set AWD and 4 set AEH. <- stupid idea btw
 
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Besides what's already been said, you might consider too that Kicking can be used after a down attack, whereas Cross-Cut can't.
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Besides what's already been said, you might consider too that Kicking can be used after a down attack, whereas Cross-Cut can't.
i dunno about u but i like the other ways to reset after down attk than to test my luck on kicking for -140mp (luck as in lag luck since there's no room for error on this reset)
 

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