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OKay, first of all I would like to say that I know that hypothetically you CAN infinite with A S Sp Sp.


Today in JLunia I saw a Japanese Sieg get like a 200+ Air Combo on another Sieg just by using three skills and his keys. The question is, I know that A S Sp Sp is one of Sieg's infinites but why doesn't it work sometimes?


I mean, let's say I'm in City Arena in the middle and there's another player to my right(right side of the screen).


If I go, AA66AS Kick (cancel in the third hit) 882 AAAS113AS Sp (Sp) <<<< That godam thing misses.

Well not ALL the time but you guys prolly know what I'm talking bout.

So why does it miss?

And is there a way to like, make it not miss.

From the J Lunia guy instead of going 113 Like diagonal Left then right, he would go 116 but cancel it a little bit after the first one (113).

So, do you miss because in the screen it looks like your below him? That's why if you press 116 while facing 2 for a shit, after 116AS Sp Sp you go 228AAA... combo it "should" work right...(consider the lenght theory).

I mean the question for this is probably already been answered. But why is it an infinite only in certain ocassions?(like the Tia diagonal AASS)

I know that you can do this facing 9, AA99AS Kick (cancel 3rd hit) 119 AS Sp Sp 119 AS Sp Sp 119 AS Sp Sp forever cuz I've done it and you actually gain air.

So why does the last spacebar miss in the wall combo?


Btw this is why I wanted to learn how to windmill (I already can in the wall), but windmilling is illegal in tournies or something so like... what's the point?


Anyway, thanks.
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aa dash as kicking cancel reposition start as spsp weeee
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kinda tl;dr ok

But I think the only two reason that you would miss it is either that you've gone under the thing that you're hitting, or you're not centered.

Diagonal works because the wall prevents you from going forward, thus preventing you to go under.
 
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yea you can do that, but why doesnt the shift in the wall work all the time?

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kinda tl;dr ok

But I think the only two reason that you would miss it is either that you've gone under the thing that you're hitting, or you're not centered.

Diagonal works because the wall prevents you from going forward, thus preventing you to go under.
I've seen it happen to the "proest" siegs, even in those KLunia videos, they're wall comboing adn the last A S Sp Sp space attack misses
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i has 4000 posts!?! boo
anyways..
distance

and it doesn't "happen" to the proest sieg.. they do it on purpose
my proest is super pro. not the ones u see.
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^x2; I do not see your point there o_o

They won't miss because they're "the pro-est"?
 
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i has 4000 posts!?! boo
anyways..
distance

and it doesn't "happen" to the proest sieg.. they do it on purpose
my proest is super pro. not the ones u see.

The proest sieg is like... that guy


who fought Adun

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Lol i dont know if hes the proest but hes got sick style (aka sidestepping in combos)

but no, im not gonna question ur mighty knowledge of lunia lunar, but seriously

how can you stop the last hit from missing?
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OMG you never share anything! XD


and BTW, lots of attacks miss when you go under the enemy, including every class' aa attacks
just evaluate your distance...if you're too close then dash away or use some skills like counter
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i'm letting u guys learn...
i teach ppl that i've seen do it by accident and are curious
and.. i'm under klunia contract to not tell anyone D:

@ pilin.. the guy who fought adun? he's like. average in klunia
last time i saw a person doing those sidesteps.. like 3 other klunians were like.. tsk tsk. no manners..
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Er. I've seen people do something before AS sp sp...

Like, facing 8, along the wall on 6.

AAA [face 9] S 997 AA sp sp 882 AAA [face 3] S 331 AS sp sp

It's like prepare the target for the AS sp sp by bringing it closer to you.

Distance, etc etc.
 
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i'm letting u guys learn...
i teach ppl that i've seen do it by accident and are curious
and.. i'm under klunia contract to not tell anyone D:

@ pilin.. the guy who fought adun? he's like. average in klunia
last time i saw a person doing those sidesteps.. like 3 other klunians were like.. tsk tsk. no manners..
ty a lot for this lunar.. i fu*ked up myself by trying techniques 1 level above me.. ill never look at korean vids for awhile .

for the as sp sp theory, the more time you put in to let the s, or the space part of it go, the more chance the s will appear.. if you do the "space" part slowly, then do kicking, you make be able to do s after it (which you 100% can't if you don't give time).

well it's just like saying "teach me windmill!" i can't teach u windmill.. i can only give advices and tips.

btw, the timing for as sp sp is different depending on the situation. lalalalal the reason why you miss the opponent with the last "space" or the first "space" in as sp sp is because you're doing it too quickly..

like lunar, i'll let u guys learn . (it's kinda hard to explain.. too lazy to find my vocabulary in my brain).
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i'm letting u guys learn...
i teach ppl that i've seen do it by accident and are curious
and.. i'm under klunia contract to not tell anyone D:

@ pilin.. the guy who fought adun? he's like. average in klunia
last time i saw a person doing those sidesteps.. like 3 other klunians were like.. tsk tsk. no manners..
tsk tsk, no manners?

I don't get it and dude that guy was sick o.o


like compared to GLunia

also if that guy made me crap my pants, and you KNOW the best KLunians and like...

you know their "secrets" post a video of the best 2 klunians

and tell them ... but hey in the vid dont use secret Klunian combos ... unless u wanna share em

*cough* share *cough*
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ty a lot for this lunar.. i fu*ked up myself by trying techniques 1 level above me.. ill never look at korean vids for awhile .

for the as sp sp theory, the more time you put in to let the s, or the space part of it go, the more chance the s will appear.. if you do the "space" part slowly, then do kicking, you make be able to do s after it (which you 100% can't if you don't give time).

well it's just like saying "teach me windmill!" i can't teach u windmill.. i can only give advices and tips.

btw, the timing for as sp sp is different depending on the situation. lalalalal the reason why you miss the opponent with the last "space" or the first "space" in as sp sp is because you're doing it too quickly..

like lunar, i'll let u guys learn . (it's kinda hard to explain.. too lazy to find my vocabulary in my brain).

ok dont worry dude, when I get really good... ill teach u how to windmill
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it's showing off.. that's y it's no manners.. and to prove it. some super pro came in doing little to no sidesteps. and x1'd him lol

it's like in glunia.. lockon vs some fast sidestepper.. u know wut usually happens.. lockon wins..
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If the Sieg isn't sidestepping to show off he won't get killed. Some siegs are mastered with the directions of every Sidestep and windmill they can use it to move around instead of dashing.
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no.. he was pretty "mastered" in sidestep
the other sieg was just more used to the speed so he knew exactly when to attack and such
stand style >> sidestep style
that and.. i left out he had godlier gear lol it would've been x0 without the gear diff
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it's showing off.. that's y it's no manners.. and to prove it. some super pro came in doing little to no sidesteps. and x1'd him lol

it's like in glunia.. lockon vs some fast sidestepper.. u know wut usually happens.. lockon wins..
so how does Lock0n and those koreans fight?

without sidesteps?


i mean like, sidesteps = good movement = good?


@ velo.... hai baby

and velo, dude dashing and windmilling around a person sounds uber pro but like as Lunar The Master ( o.o ) said it wont work
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ok dont worry dude, when I get really good... ill teach u how to windmill
i know how to windmill, you dash as space o.o. but what i meant, people asked me that question, but they meant that they needed help on improving windmill. you don't need to be good in order to teach windmill.. silly kid .

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it's showing off.. that's y it's no manners.. and to prove it. some super pro came in doing little to no sidesteps. and x1'd him lol

it's like in glunia.. lockon vs some fast sidestepper.. u know wut usually happens.. lockon wins..
it's because us sidestepper noobs don't know where we're going o.o.

when you sidestep around the opponent, or confuse the the opponent by sidestepping, it's has a bigger likelihood of hitting the opponent when the opponent is trying to "aa" you on another direction.

i'll give you a hint to the counter..

"changing aa". dash as . lalalal. i think dash a has the same range as A.

edit: i used to be a guy who rarely sidesteps. iono what happened to me lulz.
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no.. he was pretty "mastered" in sidestep
the other sieg was just more used to the speed so he knew exactly when to attack and such
stand style >> sidestep style
that and.. i left out he had godlier gear lol it would've been x0 without the gear diff
but why would u master sidestepping when standard dashing is simpler and apparently more effective?
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how did i become master.. lol
like those shows where the guy stands in the middle and senses the person.. lol

@ pilin sidestep includes windmill.
since sidestep is the movement.. and windmill is the combo that includes sidestep movement
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