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  • Windmill/Autostep/infinite combos (yes/no?)
    Depends, if it is the eir 2 infinite combos no.
  • Equips (yes/no?)
    No.
  • Number of matches: best 2 out of 3?, best 3 out of 5?
    2/3
  • Number of days to set up a match?
    Don't know.
  • Healing (yes/no?)
    Yes
  • 1v1 tournaments, or maybe some team competitions?
    Both
  • Level divisions? What increments?
    1-10 11-20 21-30 31-40 41-50 51-6x By 10s?
 
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At gngwc, they gave us 7th deg equips of each type. It was fair. You got to choose from each set for the type you would be fighting with. I chose vit. You asked me this, so are you assuming this would be a solution? Who's going all out to make it this fair? Come with your own equips, or don't come at all. The next thing I'll tell you right now godbot. What would be my reason for fighting a hacker in the fisrt place? And throwing that scenario right out thw window, the highest hp possible in global lunia as of now is 2600-2700 I believe.
 
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um...hows people gonna know that u won????
what if they lied....and whose the judge for fairness in matches
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At gngwc, they gave us 7th deg equips of each type. It was fair. You got to choose from each set for the type you would be fighting with. I chose vit. You asked me this, so are you assuming this would be a solution? Who's going all out to make it this fair? Come with your own equips, or don't come at all. The next thing I'll tell you right now godbot. What would be my reason for fighting a hacker in the fisrt place? And throwing that scenario right out thw window, the highest hp possible in global lunia as of now is 2600-2700 I believe.
Not really going all out. Is unequipping that hard?
 
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Not really going all out. Is unequipping that hard?
If you like to die in one nado + dfist combo, then sure.
 
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GNG put the dampener on the combos for a reason, I am simply saying lets go with that.

But the problem arises that we cannot fairly judge what happens in the fight to the smallest detail. So to make it easier on ourselves, we outlaw the moves altogether.

People can still do long combos without windmill and auto-step, they are not necessary.
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At gngwc, they gave us 7th deg equips of each type. It was fair. You got to choose from each set for the type you would be fighting with. I chose vit.
EXACTLY! And what if some of us don't have the ability to get such items? How, pray tell, would it be fair then?

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You asked me this, so are you assuming this would be a solution? Who's going all out to make it this fair? Come with your own equips, or don't come at all.
Fairness is the essence of competition, you just talked about it yourself! What would you think if the admins of GNGWC gave only the koreans gear and not you?

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The next thing I'll tell you right now godbot. What would be my reason for fighting a hacker in the fisrt place?
You missed the entire point of the scenario. The point is, would it be 'fair' to pit competitors with vastly different powered equipment against each other? I'll let you answer that yourself.

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And throwing that scenario right out thw window, the highest hp possible in global lunia as of now is 2600-2700 I believe.
Which is a full d-fist worth of hp above mine, and I believe that person also has damage, mp count, and defense that are higher than mine. And while I can certainly go out and get such equipment myself, consider another lv 56 who does not have the same type of resources as I do, would it be 'fair' for me to fight against such an opponent (assuming that we have the exact same level of pvp skill) if I had better gear?
 
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i think there shouldn't be a lvl division...it should have a pvp lvl division
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Godbot does have a valid point, the equips would help even it out, but it is just adding another rule. I think having equip and non equip tournaments is the solution, obviously nobody is going to change sides.
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i think there shouldn't be a lvl division...it should have a pvp lvl division
I disagree 100%

You can't know if another person is honest about their PvP level. Also, it isn't necessarily a measure of skill, just amount of matches done.

I think the reason for having the different levels would be to give players a chance. A 3x really has no chance against a 5x, so why even do that fight? A tournament should be a measure of skill level, and keeping everybody's levels uniform helps it be more skill.
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GNG put the dampener on the combos for a reason, I am simply saying lets go with that.

But the problem arises that we cannot fairly judge what happens in the fight to the smallest detail. So to make it easier on ourselves, we outlaw the moves altogether.

People can still do long combos without windmill and auto-step, they are not necessary.
Making it easier on the judges at the cost of the competitors? That is... illogical. I can make a fairly large sized list of people who can judge effectively, i.e. see exactly when a violation has been made regardless of limitations.

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i think there shouldn't be a lvl division...it should have a pvp lvl division
I have a pvp level of 6 on the character I pvp more often with and lv 2 on the one I just started. And yet I'm considered at least 'decent' by the pvping community, at least when fighting knights. This is a no-go.
 
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Making it easier on the judges at the cost of the competitors? That is... illogical. I can make a fairly large sized list of people who can judge effectively, i.e. see exactly when a violation has been made regardless of limitations.
Is it really that much of a cost? I have a feeling that you can still win PvP matches without windmill.

And honestly, who wants to get a judge for every match? We are trying to keep it simple people...
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Is it really that much of a cost? I have a feeling that you can still win PvP matches without windmill.

And honestly, who wants to get a judge for every match? We are trying to keep it simple people...
Yes, yes I can, since I can't actually windmill. And again, why emphasize simplicity over skill? Judging keeps people honest, what if someone lost and then had the nerve to come here to post that they had won, instigating a huge flame war over who actually won the bout? And judges would be the only way you can tell whether someone used an illegal move or not.

As for who would want to judge, I can be one if needed, and I'm sure at least half of DA would jump at the opportunity too. We <3 watching pvp matches.
 
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how u gonna get a judge anyways...its not like there can be an extra guy in a 1v1 match.
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how u gonna get a judge anyways...its not like there can be an extra guy in a 1v1 match.
You start the match as a 2v2. And kill off the judges immediately.
 
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You start the match as a 2v2. And kill off the judges immediately.
It is all just too complex, for the first few tournaments we should try to keep it simple.
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????how are u gonna keep it simple???
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Judging keeps people honest, what if someone lost and then had the nerve to come here to post that they had won, instigating a huge flame war over who actually won the bout? And judges would be the only way you can tell whether someone used an illegal move or not.
We're getting a bit hot headed over all of this.... *goes off to have some iced tea*
 
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lol....
I think that we should be able to use our equips...

Think about it... the Battle Eirs, and Magies don't really have that much hp compared to siegs...

One Destruction fist would take about 1/2 hp for Eir's.... one meteor from a mage would pretty much be gg ^^;; i mean, that's 1000~ damage, plus mages continue it with ice dragon.. another 300-400 hp gone... then they continue it...
Good Game, you could say?

I think equips HAVE to be allowed...

Btw, we should sooo form Guild PvP's or at least 3v3 teams....

actually, i guess i might make a post on it?
 
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I would just like to let you guys know that, during gng, the gms didn't judge anything. We fought, we said who lost, we were done with it and went on to the next round. I say we throw this judge thing away, and just pvp with honesty.
 

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