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tommmmmm 03-06-2009 07:36 AM

First Charlotte tips/guide.
 
Ok, I have done it twice only but my knowledge now compared to the one I had before (with 0 runs) is relatively huge.

So this won't be the best super-in-depth guide, but everyone who wants to start doing charlotte should read this.

1. Stage
2. Boss

Ad. 1 Stage
1a) all over the place, in corners, in prison there are boxes with gold coins. You can earn even 15g per run. Learn the places - visit them first - rip the noobs off from their gold coins. To do that you have to pass the trap - it's easy when you don't lag at all. If you lag... you're the one that's gonna get ripped off. Furthermore, because boxes are scattered all over the place...it makes incredibly hard for eirs to keep up with healing. It would be cool thing to kill the mobs then loot the coins... but it's exactly the other way.

1b) Prepare to face L Cini Vakum once more. And once more...and once more...etc. It's a popular enemy in charlotte raid that never comes alone.

1c) Masssss Henry spawn. Usually he is hitstunned in 5-10L so you don't know his moves. You'll learn them by doing Charlotte raid.

1d) new casual enemy - soldier with 'sharky' sword. If not hitstunned does 900-1200 combo. I don't like him. But I don't like cini vakum even more.

Ad. 2 Boss
2a) Boss has two stages. Normal and transformed.
2b) if boss transforms you into mini henry and you press a s or space you commit suicide. Try to use skills only. This points is important especially to siegs/tias.
2c) Boss heals by your death. If you die boss heals around 5 times your health or maybe 10 times. I don't know. However I know it's A LOT. So don't die.
2d) first form has more knockdown skills than second. Ice wall first form.
2e) Second form has many 0hp skills and one aoe 0hp skill that don't knock down. It's generally purple heart attack in many variations.
2f) Boss has one guided (it will follow you) 0hp knockdown skill with auto get-up. So no fake ress. It's a double missile attack.
2g) red hearts - if you're close to the boss they kill you - if you are far - they reverse buff. If you got buffed +2000hp you get reverse buff -2000hp. And btw. It's the most common attack. So no buffs for anyone :)
2h) Use easily dash-cancelable / invincible frames skills only.
2i) don't lag. Or else you want be able to dash-cancel.
2j) the electrical cross is cross-shaped at the beginnig but later on it can also be x-shaped. It knocks down 0hp but it doesnt auto get-up.
2g) the boss (in contrary to daru L for example) doesn't have attacks with range above 110-120.

If you can't see the boss - you might run into it by dashing == insta death. If you see the boss, you are too close - electrical cross can reach you. The best distance I have found out so far is shadow distance - you can see charlotte's shadow but you can't see her by herself.

That means - only very ranged attacks. You are safe. You see the shadow so you won't run into it. You are too far for charlotte to reach you but you can reach her. If not you can dash cancel and run.

Yes that means - siegs and tias are useless for boss. Only new dfist and new IH might be ranged enough.

Is coming close for old IH or DDB (for dainns) worthy? As far as two raids I have seen - there's about 35-40% chance that coming close to the boss will kill you. Is it worthy to do IH and then die and heal boss even more?

Generally charlotte is easy - After all ppl died and left... there were 4 of us left only (including one fs healer)..and we bit charlotte to pulp !

The more ppl in boss - the easier to die (harder for eir). As far as two raids are concerned - some of the ppl must die before we start to do more dmg to charlotte than she heals. Maybe it's because they are still noobs in this raid. I don't know.

that's it so far. Feel free to correct me or add new things.

tommmmmm 03-06-2009 07:40 AM

forgot one thing. Charlotte gives about 100k exp. So the exp is baaaaaad. But the daily is superb.

m1s3ri 03-06-2009 07:56 AM

Well, from my experience it's not too difficult for a Sieg to do a lot of damage to her. Basically ...

first form:
run in and attack as much as possible, melee is fine. She will always fly high into the air before crashing down and transforming you. Just stop using melee then. Assuming you have at least 1-2 Eirs they should be able to fake res you if you get caught in the spin, but if I remember right there's something else she does right before that attack as well so you should have time to get away.

second form, main thing is that whoever has aggro should try to run to a corner/wall and just concentrate mainly on dodging ... if she's not targeting you at the moment, it's very easy to just stand behind her and totally safe to just unload damage. Again, just like first form, she will counter and fly before transform, and there's plenty of time to get out of range of the lightning.

I do agree that it's much easier to survive the boss the fewer people that are left alive though ... if the whole party is alive it's very easy to mistake who is being targeted and get caught by some random attack which does very high damage.

oomgomfg 03-06-2009 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommmmmm (Post 745671)
Yes that means - siegs and tias are useless for boss. Only new dfist and new IH might be ranged enough.

Eh.... what? Sieg useless? Magic defense practically gives you XX seconds of invincibility against the second form...

AE set + IH + Dfist + nado + whatever else you throw into it is like 1/10 of the boss's hp gone.

buta 03-06-2009 11:39 AM

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From: http://www.mymmogames.net/forum/luni...-raid-o-o.html
Eh? Siegs are useless? I think not. If you have one healer, you can apparently solo it. If he didn't go suicidal at times (ie. with the transformation pot, tanking the boss at the beginning) I'd say he could solo it. And the same goes for Tia. It's called knowing the boss's moves. And knowing how to dodge.

And yes, there's a Magic Defense near the beginning that apparently renders the spinning things pointless while he broke the controls.

crazyhealer 03-06-2009 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommmmmm (Post 745671)
Ad. 1 Stage
1a) all over the place, in corners, in prison there are boxes with gold coins. You can earn even 15g per run. Learn the places - visit them first - rip the noobs off from their gold coins. Yeah right.... Things like teaching people to steal from other players shouldn't be in a thread like this you know.... Please remove it.To do that you have to pass the trap - it's easy when you don't lag at all. If you lag... you're the one that's gonna get ripped off. Furthermore, because boxes are scattered all over the place...it makes incredibly hard for eirs to keep up with healing. It would be cool thing to kill the mobs then loot the coins... but it's exactly the other way.It's normal that people will go for money first when they first started doing this stage. However, as time goes on, people will go for the money after killing all the mobs.

2b) if boss transforms you into mini henry and you press a s or space you commit suicide. Try to use skills only.
If i'm not wrong, you should cast skills which don't last for over a long period. Once i used JoG on Charlotte and i got transformed into those robots, instant death. However, i'm not really sure if it's the reason which caused me to lose a life. Anyone gonna confirm this?

2g) red hearts - if you're close to the boss they kill you - if you are far - they reverse buff. If you got buffed +2000hp you get reverse buff -2000hp. And btw. It's the most common attack. So no buffs for anyone :)
Seriously, i don't know about this. Nice tip, though it will be rare to see people casting buff for this raid.

Yes that means - siegs and tias are useless for boss. Only new dfist and new IH might be ranged enough.
Strongly disagree~

Anyway, i remember there's one attack from Charlotte which can stop you in your track. It's those red hearts floating around the boss arena.

whitepage 03-06-2009 10:36 PM

A tip : It may not be very noticeable but xform does 50ish dmg. You will lose 1 life if the boss managed to xform you when u have less that amount of hp approximately.

Learn from the video, there are many instances you can go up to melee on 2nd form and the spinning purple hearts atk is only a 'frontal' atk. This includes dacy , of course , if there better option go for it. Doesnt seem Yan ( the sieg from the video ) die once when he was duoing. It shows 3 life at the end.

And I dont think if red hearts kill you, maybe you want to take a look again. It immobilize you while the homings hit you, but you can still use invin frame skills to save yourself.

This is the raid I been doing multiple times a day before rebirth patch. Unless you have suicidal players that keep spamming res, you should have it pretty easy, not to mention the added stats/rebirth skills you get now.

imported_Citrine 03-12-2009 10:02 AM

The only reason why people die in this raid so easily is because most of the lunia community tend to brush off the fact that this game is team worked based. Hack and slashing the boss doesnt benefit the run from being any faster or efficient.

For one, the main problem to why people die at the boss during 2nd transformation is what boobee just explained. The players with 0 HP die upon transformation, which triggers if people attack Charlotte and make her counter. Healers need to cast at least 1 high lvl heal to suffice the dmg taken for transformation so everyone whos at 0 HP can survive the attack. And this also means Tias,Siegs,dacys,Dainns, and kreigs need to refrain themselves from attacking any further until all players are at optimal health.

second, once transformed they die from the cross lightning attack which is easily avoided if you attack 90 degrees from any direction you face charlotte, even then players should be very well aware that if she counters, thats your cue to get out of her range.

third, you cant buff during the whole duration of the boss fight. The biggest flaw i always see in this raid is when a Sieg/Dacy MDEF/Tear, if you noticed charlotte has an infinite anti buff thats automatically casted during the battle which means all buff pots,triggered set effect buffs,Party buffs/self buffs are rendered useless here.


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