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 04-15-2009 #1 (permalink) STEP Awards   Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 4,162 Blog Entries: 10 iTrader: (0) IGN: Phuc Tran Class: Visual Arts Major Level: 23 Guild: University of California, San Diego so i've noticed lately that many people do not know how to calculate dps (damage per second) well, it's exactly what it is: damage per (1) second or total damage divided by time (in seconds) this guide will explain how to calculate dps in a given situation Here are things you need to calculate: Damage Per Hit When calculating damage, you have to know what you're looking for if you're looking for the MAXIMUM POSSIBLE, then you use the highest number in the range for example: dainn's rb fury of land's damage range at max is 674-750 if you're looking for the maximum damage possible of rb fury, you use 750 if you're looking for the MINIMUM POSSIBLE, then you use the lowest number in the range (in rb fury's case 674) But maybe you aren't looking for the maximum or minimum you're looking for the AVERAGE damage per hit to find the average damage per hit of a skill, add the maximum and minimum together and divide by 2 for example: lvl 1 jog's damage range is 205-228 205+228=433 433/2=216.5 average damage of lvl 1 jog is 216.5 (your choice to round up or down) Number of Hits The number of hits a skill does may vary depending on the target(s) and/or position for example, dong dong on 5 targets vs dong dong on 1 target or shining needle on lunia up close vs shining needle on lunia far away etc. etc. you can check the number of hits by looking at the number(s) on the right of your screen (chain) for example: yuki does ice bomb (which shoots 4 ice arrows) and hits a group of enemies, totaling 7 hits Total Damage total damage = (damage per hit) x (number of hits) again, it depends on what you're looking for the maximum, minimum, or average, etc. for example: i'm calculating the maximum damage of max dfist the damage range is 1055-1173 i use 1173 since im looking for max possible i'm calculating based on dfist hitting only 1 time 1173*1=1173 another example: i'm calculating the average damage of lvl 1 ddb the range is 147-164 (147+164)/2=155.5 average damage per hit i'm calculating based on ddb hitting a group of enemies, totaling 115 hits 155.5*115=17,882 total damage Time Frame This is the final part the time frame when using a short time frame, people are talking about "burst damage", or damage in a small time frame you can calculate based on long time frames too dps=damage/time(in seconds) the time frame you decide to use is based on the situation if you're calculating the dps assuming that the skill is used whenever available, then you should use the cooldown of the skill as the time frame Examples Shining needle's damage at max is 242-270 i'm calculating based on maximum possible damage, so i use 270 damage per hit Shining needle does 7 hits on lunia 270*7=1890 total damage the time frame i decide to use is 7 seconds(the cooldown of s. needle) 1890/7=270 dps in this situation, the maximum dps of shining needle in a timeframe of 7 seconds is 270 RB Ice Dragon Heart's damage range at max is 164-183 i'm calculating based on average damage (164+183)/2=173.5 average damage per hit i use it on jungle turtle and it hits 25 times it has a 20 second cooldown; i use it again 20 seconds later and it hits 23 times 173.5*(23+25)=8328 total damage in a timeframe of 25 seconds 8328/25=333.12 dps in this situation, the average dps of rb ice dragon heart in a timeframe of 25 seconds is 333.12 __________________ Last edited by WhatThePhuc; 05-06-2009 at 08:25 PM.
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 04-15-2009 #2 (permalink) Titans   Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 156 iTrader: (0) IGN: DeathStare Class: Tia Level: 60 Guild: Titans We still have to consider weakness, resistance, air combo during stage, air decay during pvp and defense while doing this calculation. For the last example with the RB IDH, where did you get the time frame of 25 seconds when you used the skill twice with 20 second cool-down each. I'm assuming the first idh was used when it wasn't on cool-down. __________________
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 Originally Posted by Aeries We still have to consider weakness, resistance and defense while doing this calculation. For the last example with the RB IDH, where did you get the time frame of 25 seconds when you used the skill twice with 20 second cool-down each. I'm assuming the first idh was used when it wasn't on cool-down.
well yea, weakness, resistance, etc. effect the total damage
so does str bonus etc.
this is just explaining before all those things are applied
(based on ORIGINAL values)

i didn't "get" the time frame
time frame is not calculated, unless you're calculating based on a specific situation
i picked 25 seconds for no reason really
it's just a timeframe in which rb idh is casted twice
let's say someone melees and does 1 damage to foriel
then afks for 100 seconds
his dps in that situation with a timeframe of 100 seconds would be:
1/100=0.01 dps
if i use the timeframe 50 seconds, his dps in that same situation with a timeframe of 50 seconds would be:
1/50=0.02 dps

it is your choice which timeframe to use

for example, let's take dacy and lime
dacy does high dps over a LONG timeframe
while lime does high dps in a SHORT timeframe
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 04-15-2009 #4 (permalink) Titans   Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 156 iTrader: (0) IGN: DeathStare Class: Tia Level: 60 Guild: Titans I see what you mean about how the time frame can be anything. It's a very nice guide even though it is basic math. __________________
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 Originally Posted by Aeries I see what you mean about how the time frame can be anything. It's a very nice guide even though it is basic math.
yes, i thought it was basic too
but then i see people saying things like, "dps doesn't exist in lunia", "which character does more dps", etc.
so not its not obvious to everyone
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 04-15-2009 #6 (permalink) Titans   Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 156 iTrader: (0) IGN: DeathStare Class: Tia Level: 60 Guild: Titans If you base it which character has the highest damage per second, then the time frame shouldn't be random. Time frame = skills cool down per cast (whether it is the first cast with zero cool down or 2nd cast with actual cool down) I actually base my judgment of who has the best dps in game on game play. Spells alone will not give you the best results when it is not used properly. __________________
 04-19-2009 #7 (permalink) STEP Awards   Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 4,162 Blog Entries: 10 iTrader: (0) IGN: Phuc Tran Class: Visual Arts Major Level: 23 Guild: University of California, San Diego i'm bumping this because seriously, people just do not understand dps in lunia btw, if anyone has any questions or needs help with calculations, feel free to ask __________________
 04-19-2009 #8 (permalink) ggFTW Stalker   Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 773 iTrader: (0) Oh, Sorry, I thought Lunia was more on the Arcade/Action/Fighting side. Not the Traditional MMORPG WOW WAR AION ZOMGWTFBBQ side. Let's say a Sieg vs a Tia. The Tia uses a backstab combo 3 times without the Sieg landing a hit (and wins, needless to say). Now, is that Tia's dps X00 while the Sieg's dps is 0? No? How wouldn't that be accurate? The Sieg can never do any damage against the Tia? According to the dps, that's quite correct. Because, in Lunia, you don't need to dodge and search for openings and deciding when it's safe to attack and combo. Nonono. Leave that stuff to the Action Arcade junk. We won't have any of that here! That's like saying a Sniper's dps is X00 while a pistol's is 0 because 2 players fought it out and the sniper 1hit him without a scratch. ...Using the term DPS in a FPS.... haha silly. But yes, You CAN have dps in Lunia. If it's against a scarecrow LOL. __________________ Last edited by Jumper; 04-19-2009 at 10:56 PM.
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 Originally Posted by Jumper Oh, Sorry, I thought Lunia was more on the Arcade/Action/Fighting side. Not the Traditional MMORPG WOW WAR AION ZOMGWTFBBQ side. Let's say a Sieg vs a Tia. The Tia uses a backstab combo 3 times without the Sieg landing a hit (and wins, needless to say). Now, is that Tia's dps X00 while the Sieg's dps is 0? No? How wouldn't that be accurate? The Sieg can never do any damage against the Tia? According to the dps, that's quite correct. Because, in Lunia, you don't need to dodge and search for openings and deciding when it's safe to attack and combo. Nonono. Leave that stuff to the Action Arcade junk. We won't have any of that here! That's like saying a Sniper's dps is X00 while a pistol's is 0 because 2 players fought it out and the sniper 1hit him without a scratch. ...Using the term DPS in a FPS.... haha silly.
now let's say in an mmorpg.. an assassin vs a mage
assassin uses some sort of hide skill... kills mage.. so the assassin has 2k+ dps and the mage has zero
or the reverse... i played flyff my char was dps of about 5k yet i could never reach a mage before i died (hm that actually looks really low 5k.. wutever not the point)

shooting games never have dps.. u die in less than a second u can't even calculate (fail at analogies)

http://www.wowwiki.com/Damage_per_second
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damage_per_second

all state pretty much the same thing... something like.. "their job is to do damage in a party"

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 04-19-2009 #10 (permalink) ggFTW Stalker   Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 773 iTrader: (0) That wouldn't count because the mage wasn't in combat. __________________
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 Originally Posted by Jumper Let's say a Sieg vs a Tia. The Tia uses a backstab combo 3 times without the Sieg landing a hit (and wins, needless to say). Now, is that Tia's dps X00 while the Sieg's dps is 0? No? How wouldn't that be accurate? The Sieg can never do any damage against the Tia? According to the dps, that's quite correct. Because, in Lunia, you don't need to dodge and search for openings and deciding when it's safe to attack and combo. Nonono. Leave that stuff to the Action Arcade junk. We won't have any of that here!
yes, that means the sieg's dps is exactly 0 dps:
0 damage/time=0dps

the tia's dps depends on how much damage her combo did and what the time frame is
for example, let's say the tia's combo did 4326 damage over a timeframe of 23 seconds
4326/23=188.0869565 dps
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 04-19-2009 #12 (permalink) ggFTW Stalker   Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 773 iTrader: (0) Hah! I got you! You said the Sieg's DPS IS 0. But, in fact, it WAS 0. (for that 1 match) You're saying that that Sieg will never do any damage with any of his attacks ever. Oh, sorry, you landed a dfist? Too bad because your dps is 0. See where I'm getting at? __________________
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 Originally Posted by Lunar now let's say in an mmorpg.. an assassin vs a mage assassin uses some sort of hide skill... kills mage.. so the assassin has 2k+ dps and the mage has zero shooting games never have dps.. u die in less than a second u can't even calculate (fail at analogies)
in that situation, assuming the assassin took about...5 seconds to kill the mage, the assassin's dps is:
2000/5=400dps

if the shooting game's damage system is not based on numbers, then it can't be numerically calculated in terms of dps
if each shot does a numerical amount of damage, then yes dps can be calculated
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 04-19-2009 #14 (permalink) ggFTW Stalker   Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lunia Posts: 6,399 iTrader: (0) no i'm actually just making fun of jumpers thought process anyways.. in my case they were in combat. it's pvp not pk.. u agree to fight and enter an arena and... dps has always been used in wut we call the stage part of lunia it is never used to calculate dmg in pvp or pk
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 Originally Posted by Jumper Hah! I got you! You said the Sieg's DPS IS 0. But, in fact, it WAS 0. (for that 1 match) You're saying that that Sieg will never do any damage with any of his attacks ever. Oh, sorry, you landed a dfist? Too bad because your dps is 0. See where I'm getting at?
yep, the sieg's dps IS(present tense) 0 in that situation

i'm not saying the sieg WILL(future tense) not do any damage
it depends on the damage and the timeframe

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 Originally Posted by Lunar and... dps has always been used in wut we call the stage part of lunia it is never used to calculate dmg in pvp or pk
incorrect
as long as there are numbers of damage being dealt, dps can be calculated anywhere
even pvp
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 04-19-2009 #17 (permalink) ggFTW Stalker   Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 773 iTrader: (0) N> DPS Class! xAznMariah "I'm a dps!" (can in fact, outdamage most yukis with her amazing comboing skillz) Gtfo you're an Eir! Eirs aren't dps! Go away! ColdShine "I'll go!" (for sake of arguement, plays worse than mariah) Ok you're in! That's what may happen if people continue bringing in this DPS Class nonsense. __________________
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 Originally Posted by Jumper "Oh, the sniper had a better DPS than the pistols, I will choose them and I will most likely win every single game!" Where in fact, it does not work that way.
dps does not have to do with winning or losing

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 Originally Posted by Jumper N> DPS Class! xAznMariah "I'm a dps!" (can in fact, outdamage most yukis with her amazing comboing skillz) Gtfo you're an Eir! Eirs aren't dps! Go away! ColdShine "I'll go!" (for sake of arguement, plays worse than mariah) Ok you're in!
this post has nothing to do with dps calculation
you're just giving a situation of players talking
unless the words they say do a numerical amount of damage, then dps of what they say cannot be calculated
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 04-19-2009 #19 (permalink) ggFTW Stalker   Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lunia Posts: 6,399 iTrader: (0) Damage per second - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft i find that site really useful u should take the calculations based on that lol it actually works for everything of lunia anyways @above i am not incorrect we only use dps for stages not in pvp in lunia Last edited by Lunar; 04-19-2009 at 11:15 PM.
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 Originally Posted by Lunar Damage per second - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft i find that site really useful u should take the calculations based on that lol it actually works for everything of lunia
i know, but that site has nothing to do with lunia
i made a guide here because it would gain more exposure from the lunia community

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 Originally Posted by Lunar anyways @above i am not incorrect we only use dps for stages not in pvp in lunia
give me ANY situation and i'll calculate the dps
exact value, too
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