TT doesn't outright ban mages, but since the team battles are more like skirmishes mages are caught out of position more, get focused more and generally are less effective than tanks/dps.
Nasus is pretty good.
Solid if you build him right and have a team willing to back you up :>
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Nasus can single handedly take on multiple people, and kill them. I don't care WHAT you say. His ultimate kicks your ass. God help you if he decides to Wither.
Nasus' role is the side tank where he comes in either as another initiator, wither the carry, lay down SF to hit as many people as possible and whack that squishy in. He's not the main DPS, several other ones are much better than him but he's a much better team disrupter.
IMO if you don't build him as tank + sheen then you're building him pubstomp build. He's meant to be a mid-late game pusher and a solid team battler.
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Nasus' role is to be extremely annoying (and damaging) in teamfights and a strong baron killer. His ult is what defines him, with Wither being an excellent tool against right click carries (Twitch, Tristana, Ashe and to a lesser extent Ezreal). His weakness comes from the fact that he is not very tanky without tanking items, thus requiring him to have either something like a Randuin's or Banshee's to last long enough in teamfights.
Of course, I am speaking all this from my perspective.
I was single-handed team carry. A rough synopsis of the match was like...
Spoiler!
- Ez and Heimer both wanted mid so they just stayed there so I was solo lane.
- I got firstkill on a tower diving Alistair who didn't get heal until a lot later. He got the attack skill where you smash the ground. And then missed every single time.
- Ez died and ragequitted.
- After harassing and killing a Veigar, he ragequitted. So it was 4v4 which isn't that bad.
- Our team's Veigar and Xin kept feeding their Zil and Xin.
- The solo mid heimer did not creep kill. He just set up turrets and sat there.
- I got fed from killing the suicidal Alistair.
- I (with occasional teammate) wiped floor with opponents.
The Heimer later became a lot more helpful and saved my butt a few times so I can't say my team was all bad.
First time playing Katarina, too. I blame my deaths on me testing out to see who would win: a fed Katarina using her ult or a Vlad and a Xin.
AD works pretty well, I'd say. Who has played AP Katarina and wants to convince me otherwise?
That's because idiots don't know what practice mode is.
By blinking away you're doing what he wants, the fact you don't use the blink properly to then get an easy crit off on the vlad means you're doing it wrong, have fun wasting mana.
How am I doing it wrong if I flash behind him after he tries to harass me with pool?
Pool lasts like.. What, 2.5 seconds? Shaco's stealth lasts 4 seconds.
He loses some hp from trying to harass me, and loses more from my deceive crits, and shiv.
I was single-handed team carry. A rough synopsis of the match was like...
Spoiler!
- Ez and Heimer both wanted mid so they just stayed there so I was solo lane.
- I got firstkill on a tower diving Alistair who didn't get heal until a lot later. He got the attack skill where you smash the ground. And then missed every single time.
- Ez died and ragequitted.
- After harassing and killing a Veigar, he ragequitted. So it was 4v4 which isn't that bad.
- Our team's Veigar and Xin kept feeding their Zil and Xin.
- The solo mid heimer did not creep kill. He just set up turrets and sat there.
- I got fed from killing the suicidal Alistair.
- I (with occasional teammate) wiped floor with opponents.
The Heimer later became a lot more helpful and saved my butt a few times so I can't say my team was all bad.
First time playing Katarina, too. I blame my deaths on me testing out to see who would win: a fed Katarina using her ult or a Vlad and a Xin.
AD works pretty well, I'd say. Who has played AP Katarina and wants to convince me otherwise?
I lol at the feeding xin. Wtf was he building anyways? That build looks crappy imo.
I foresee pain for my Trist if I go against a good Nasus now ;__;
How am I doing it wrong if I flash behind him after he tries to harass me with pool?
Pool lasts like.. What, 2.5 seconds? Shaco's stealth lasts 4 seconds.
He loses some hp from trying to harass me, and loses more from my deceive crits, and shiv.
Don't see how that's a waste of mana.
I believe Yaku thought that you would try and Deceive AWAY from Vlad when he pops SP. Not behind him. :P
Anywho, generally, SP will do more damage than your Deceive crits and Shiv can. Since, if I remember right, SP does like
40/55/70/85/100 (+X damage (15% of health)) per second. So, it does that base damage (250 damage over the duration) and 15% of your health. Generally, late-game, your HP should be around 3k. That's +450. 250 + 450 = 700 damage over the duration of pool in an AoE, before MR. Not to mention it's an invulnerability. But it depends on what items the Shaco has as well. :P
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@Buta ~ Well, not sure if I can convince you otherwise, but I know AP > AD Kat at all times. Well, at least, I think so. ^^
First, let's compare as to why you would go AD over AP Kat.
AD Kat:
Advantages;
Her auto-attack will generally do a lot of damage to minions and towers.
You gain lifesteal from getting the Bloodthirsters, which fills your health up FAST.
You occupy very little room in your inventory. Thus, you can buy Elixirs and Wards and whatnot.
Your Bouncing Blade can hit multiple people and do a chunk of their health. Even moreso when combining KI with it.
A LOT of damage in the early to mid-game.
Disadvantages;
You have zero extra damage until your first 1,850 gold for your first BF Sword. No real damage until 3,200, for your first BT. Unless you decide to get 2-3 BF Swords before upgrading to BTs.
Has zero CC. So, you rely on your team (be it from one team member to all four of them) to slow/stun them. Otherwise, you rely on Exhaust. Possibly, Lizard.
No CDR, really.
Very, very squishy.
Will be instantly focused and you can do nothing about it.
Now, for AP Kat:
Advantages;
Can build Mejai's early and very easily snowball better than AD Kat could with SOTO.
You usually rush Rylai's and have some survival early, with a bit of damage. Not as much as AD, but you have that +500 HP.
You get a slow from Rylai's. Massive CC-ness.
Your Shunpo is actually useful after 10 minutes in, other than using it for Shunpo-Lotus, or escaping.
Shunpo + KI grants you amazing survivability. 35% DR with a lot of single-target damage.
Able to buy something else other than Sorc Boots, given that you generally already have a bunch of magic pen for being AP to begin with.
Can buy Zhonya's Ring for even more survivability. 2.6k HP from Rylai's, + a 2 second invuln? Yes please. Also boosts your damage up INCREDIBLY high.
Can buy Void Staff for even more magic pen to rape tanks, which you cannot do on AD Kat.
Can also buy Abyssal Scepter and get the -20 MR AoE debuff, while sitting at 80-100 MR.
Disadvantages;
Not much damage until she snowballs, if you decide to grab Mejai's and snowball.
Bouncing Blade is nearly worthless (aside from the AoE slow it gives, and the team-wide 50% HR with KI)
Not as much damage early.
Won't be doing any damage to minions. So, a bad pusher. A lot of damage to towers, though.
That generally sums it up.
AD Kat -will- do more damage early. Period. The main reason people consider AD over AP without being experienced is because AD does more damage and Bouncing Blade hits multiple targets for a bunch of damage, rather than just one. Also the fact that your Lotus does more damage early.
But, AP Kat will always be superior, IMO.
AP Katarina is much more tanky than AD is. AP also has a constant slow from Rylai's, and the +500 HP early. Which really helps. Mejai's also lets you snowball easier. You also gain MUCH increased damage from having Void Staff, Abyssal Scepter, and Zhonya's Ring. While Scepter and Ring give you much needed increased survivability. Also, having the 35% DR from Shunpo + KI will make you EXTREMELY hard to kill. Let me also point out that Shunpo does A LOT of singe-target damage and has a lower cooldown than Bouncing Blade does, if I remember correctly.
So..yep.
My opinion, and the opinion of many others. It's basically a known fact that AP Kat is superior, period. But, everyone has a different perspective (generally) on things.
How am I doing it wrong if I flash behind him after he tries to harass me with pool?
Pool lasts like.. What, 2.5 seconds? Shaco's stealth lasts 4 seconds.
He loses some hp from trying to harass me, and loses more from my deceive crits, and shiv.
Don't see how that's a waste of mana.
You didn't say you decieved then shiv'd, you simply said you blinked, I obviously inferred that you decieved then ran away and stayed in exp range, instead of doing the smart thing and shiving him for easy crit. You didn't provide full information of what you did.
Yeah, I didn't provide enough information, because all I really wanted to say that Vlad players need to stop trying to harass a champion with a flash-stealth ability.
Also, I used to think AD Kat was better than AP, but I tried out Amy's build and shtuff, and I haveto say, AP Kat is 10 times better than AD.
Hm. I'll try that the next normal game I play (since practice makes me sad. :<). Wouldn't you be more reliant on Shunpo for damage and not have a full range of skills to use, though? Or does her ult scale pretty well with the AP? I do remember reading somewhere that AD is more expensive per point than AP, but I'm too lazy to do the math. orz
Wow buta, no offense but that build is absolute trash...
You want either high AD or high AP; this means crit, dodge, crit damage, trin force are all crap on her. You could look up Kobe24 (best Kat player I know), afaik he goes sorc boots and like bf sword stacking, but I'm not too sure.
Edit: Nvm, he goes high magic pen + Rylai's now o.O
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