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The fact that fuzz can get an asura guitar and I can't. >;(

How potions at higher levels are mega expensive. (I've been using lv 70 pots since lv 100. x.x)

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LF > PvP Bard mentor T_T

How2getoutofgunslingercrossfire...

Well GS/X-Bow = PvP is easy but =/= better than everyone else? Idk if I need to be checked into a mental hospital or anything... I am sick of egos of whatever of any kind, like w/ one Lv 82 X-bow TH that said "hey, I'm the lowest level here and I pwn everything!" (but one of my team members hypothesizes he got those kills by "sniping" which is something I do not know waht it means). Idk anymore if it was a friendly comment or just something else.

When I go in a PvP Fight, I get irritated when people shout out "a bard? oh hey, the match is in the bag!"

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LF > PvP Bard mentor T_T

How2getoutofgunslingercrossfire...

Well GS/X-Bow = PvP is easy but =/= better than everyone else? Idk if I need to be checked into a mental hospital or anything... I am sick of egos of whatever of any kind, like w/ one Lv 82 X-bow TH that said "hey, I'm the lowest level here and I pwn everything!" (but one of my team members hypothesizes he got those kills by "sniping" which is something I do not know waht it means). Idk anymore if it was a friendly comment or just something else.

When I go in a PvP Fight, I get irritated when people shout out "a bard? oh hey, the match is in the bag!"
Bards are harder to master in PVP than other classes (IE: Gunslingers, Crossbow THs, Dagger THs, etc), so it would make sense for people to think that bards are easy to beat.

In order to be a good bard, you need to have honor; honor and a peeeeeenis:
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~25+% min/max guitar
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~Evil Sound, Sound of Spirit/Heart, Ice Fear II, Bubble II and Hail storm I/II
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Usually two hits from the back would trip the person, so then you get behind the fallen foe and use bubble II so they get hit twice and trip once again. Then you can use Evil Sound. You can skip the Bubble II thing to use ES... Keep in mind a well timed back dash will leave you open to your attacker... So it's all up to you.

Using ES while the person flies into a corner is often a good idea too. If they try to run away and get farther from the corner, quickly stop and use Ice Fear II to trip them.

While the person runs away, using Hail Storm I or II is often a good way to trip them up. People try to jump and run at the same time, making them easy targets to swat down from the skies. Airskilling an Ice Fear II on to them is also good too - it sets you up to use Bubble II/ES.

If you're on the Yong Gyong map, you can use Ice Fear I/II or Hail Storm I/II to hit someone if they're above you. You can even get them with these skills if they're camping on the edge of the top tower. Be sure to "camp" as well, because this is one rare advantage that you would NOT want to give up.

If you're on a map where you know the person is below you, airskill Ice Fear II on to them. You can also run off a cliff and cast ES. You can do this with ANY SKILL, so be sure to use it to save up your magic concentration.

Keep in mind that healing a lot may be the thing that makes you lose. If the person gets you from behind, they can probably kill you with ease... So they might win just because they took more of your HP.

When using your buffs, try to get magic/luck sound of heart and sound of spirit. These buffs stay with you even after you die, so it helps a lot.

As a bard, there's no shame in running. You're squishy. Everything can pretty much cancel your skills. Just let the idiots run to you so you can smack them around with water skills. If they whine about your tactics, tell them to shove it.


That's basically all I can think of when it comes to bards... It took me a while to get a hang of being a bard, but it wasn't all that hard. I also use a laptop and I'm on the East Coast, so I'm at a slight disadvantaged compared to most other PVPers in terms of latency.
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^ wow phenyl that was really accurate lol ._.;;

another thing I'd like to add is that...oh wait nvm you covered pretty much everything. :P

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Makes sense, trip and air-skill hit. Thanks Phenyll~ Well thats the first step, training myself. But now I just need to know the capabilities of all the other classes and their strengths/weaknesses.

As for the equipment/weapon... I'll need Kuma T_T But idk if she'll enchant since she must a be a busy woman.

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- PvP farm periodically for a year to get it (well grinding/laziness since no one's active much or just chatting it up)

- raise points for PvP Books THEN start learning to PvP Efficiently

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How potions at higher levels are mega expensive. (I've been using lv 70 pots since lv 100. x.x)
I used to do that, but I've found that now that Mana's in the 120s, I can't. I have to use level 120 HP pots, otherwise a die a ton. I also burn through a fair amount of cherry pots too. It's really annoying how the regular pots just don't heal enough. Level 120 pots only cover about 25% of my HP at best (and with buffs/food, it's less).

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Only 2 hours? Sheeze, ferrets must get bored easy. I grinded at large ice creams for about 8 levels across a week or two and never got a single freaking dagger!

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from the back... you get behind... person flies into a corner... if they try to run away... While the person runs away... People try to jump and run...
Decided to re-read the paragraph and isolated a few points on enemy actions, I just don't know how to push it to that point of the battle. Enemies I met don't run or attempt to dodge, they charge at me (PvPed a GS buddy of mine, the only time she ran was after I was resurrected). I know one part is to dodge attacks and counter attack (if I'm not constantly KBed, knocked down and THEN KBed again thus having no chance to react), but some battles are when I just have to keep running while the enemy jsut sits and recovers for more energy to bash me with.

Frustration: well... Bifrost quests. Enemies there seem too Over Powering to me to have quests at
119?

EDIT EDIT: Lost... to a Lv 86 Bard... damnit I'm such an idiot, I should've been a coward and kept on running.... /wrists. I had all damn water skills, had Back Dash at disposal, had all those pipes, +43 freakin' levels for more power and accuracy... what I went wrong was not knowing what to do when cornered by ES (cannot fight back, have time to re-attatch skills to Normal Attack... ugh...). And now I used up so much time losing PvP I now will be too tired to work on hw such as prepare my paper/speech which is due Tuesday /fails game+life

Decided to PvP again... w/ my guildmate Lv 84 GS. Fought against 111 Bard and 116 GS. I tried using Phynell's advice but: the enemies don't run, they ****ing charge at me which = screwed and no chance of hitting if something comes at you, cannot counter attack and struggling through KB from ES and guns at same time. When I jump to dodge bubble buble and ES, I get caught then killed. I use Hailstone immediately after they faceplant hoping it freezes them, it never does... cannot time things right since all this lag is just... screw it I'm gonna do my paper-essay since guildmate's now at 3x IDR event.

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kmelfina, you won't be winning against a GS any time soon (you need a lot of practice). They have better range, more power, and are fast in every manner possible. Even a crappy one can own a bard since bards lack the range to keep a GS at bay. The only people who can stand up to GSs with ease are folks who have a crap load of HP or evasion. You can also win against them if you know how to camp. Basically, as long as they can't hit you or knock you back, you can win.

In other words, if you have less than 10k~13k HP or less than 50 evasion... You better hope for a good camping/running map.

THEN AGAIN! The use of back dash, counter, or uppercut coupled with high speed may make gunslingers easier for you to kill. Knowing how to use dips in the ground to duck/make them come to you is also another way to beat them.

The Toad/Treasure maps have dips you can abuse.
The Dot Nuri/Treasure/Yong Gyong maps have decent camping spots.

Luckily for you, many Gunslingers seem to be very slow and don't pick up on tactics such as this... So feel free to use it whenever.


LASTLY!(because this post needs to end and I can probably write a novel on PVPing) you need to practice against something other than a GS. Let's face it, a GS is OP when compared to every other class. A blader or TH around your level would be a good sparing partner. As would another bard. Warlords and Sorcerers are more difficult to handle, and most meisters are near impossible to knock back without a well placed ES or strong tier II skill.

If you want, I can PVP you a couple of times on my bard whenever you want to practice.
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Thanks Phenyll~

PvPing... I faced 99.9999% GSes teh entire time, the rest were X-Bow THs/other Bards. Well, repetitive fights against the same people over and over again = boring and I sit the matches out. Well they get free points and more time for me on Youtube XD I decided to test out a friend's GS (well we were bored and wondered what it was like to switch classes) and found out that GSes really are OP O_O Though at the time she had weak equips, the range and KB made up for it. Won against fights of X-Bow THs/Explorers (the matches were close though).

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