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11-28-2010   #21 (permalink)
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i didnt finish my 2nd job quest with sieg till he was 36 :/ warlord is awesome though.
 
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I think the job change seems to take longer because now there are so many quests that push you all the way up to level 30. So far, I haven't been able to go back to run Gaikoz because I don't want to miss a quest (low level quest = exp drops). I don't have any problems with the actual drop rates. Maybe I'm just getting lucky. But at least you can tell if Gaikoz give you a sword/seal by looking for the quest scroll next to his name. If there isn't one, then just die to save time? :P

(Mari's level 32 and still no gunslinger.. OTL)
Well, what I'm drawing my numbers from is pure time investment, and average drops per run. As usually when I do these quests, all I do is these quests. I am either insanely unlucky to the point that I surely must be cursed, or the combination of their removing rooms and lowering drop rates has tripled the time the quest takes to complete. Either way, 10 hours is something I can dedicate when I'm feeling up to it, and at that speed it was something I could do once every few months when I really wanted the job. Thirty plus hours is just not doable. I lose motivation and give up long before I get anywhere close. I cashed Mari when she was first released, leveled her to 20ish, and was going to wait for gunslinger. I've since gained something like 25 frags, in around 20 runs, and I just can't be bothered to try any more.
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2nd job is only annoying with a character you hate using. It's teddious but, balenced.
 
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I must agree the 2nd job quest is very annoying but heck its worth it. When I do forgotten city solo i get about 5-7 per run compared to gaikoz 3 stars i get 5-8 and if i'm lucky a sword/seal Just take more time. Also depending on how long i do each run takes me about 5-6 hours to get everything.

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2nd job is only annoying with a character you hate using. It's teddious but, balenced.
I like using everyone, and it's still annoying to me.
 
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Sheesh..I hated the 2nd Jobs x_x The Missions anyways...Only got 1 of each for the females..None for the males as i don't play em o_o But hell..Just to get away from the hell..i had to cash 2nd and 3rd job for Mari. >.<
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i gave up doing sieg's 2nd job mission and just cashed it, the rest of the 2nd jobs i did before S3 (except mari, took forever for 2nd job, and dio doesnt count), i can say that i was able to get 2nd job within a day back in S2, but now is just...ugh
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Well I Finally got all the 2nd Jobs for all my characters.. Finally Relieved of the fragment grinding. YAY!!
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Erm, my observation is that sometimes Forgotten City drops a crazy amount, but it depends on chance, probably a 4/10 chance. Gaikoz is the same too but more like a 3/10 chance there's a considerably good amount of fragments in one go. >_> My average estimation of getting each character to 2nd job in one succession is at least 4-6 hours. Hope that helps.
 
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i really hate that you can't solo to get a sword... and how they made dungeons shorter and no optional rooms for frag hunts... but i think it's really balanced. Like most of the people said, it's just plain annoying.
 
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You can't solo to get a sword?
Where did you get that from?
 
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You can solo to get a sword. That's how my Amy got her swords.
 
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You can't solo to get a sword?
Where did you get that from?
The same place where they get the "last hit, seal get" logic: Out of their behinds.
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The same place where they get the "last hit, seal get" logic: Out of their behinds.
Duoh my god, people on MMO's make up rumors about how things happen? What a weird thing, I didn't know anyone did that.
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^ but the fact people tell others that makes me lulz
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^ but the fact people tell others that makes me lulz
Yeah man, I mean seriously. It's like in MapleStory no one EVER spread rumors about Bob the Snail, everyone just understood he was a snail named Bob. I mean damn, in RuneScape no one ever spread rumors about the drop tables, everyone just KNEW they were random and NEVER tried to figure them out. Who has the audacity to spread a rumor in a game? I mean gosh darn, the nerve of people these days.
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They just want to appear smarter than everyone else by saying 'this is how bleh works' or 'the way to get blarg is by doing blak,' when most likely they're basing their arguments on complete and total coincidences that happened one time. And then they spread this coincidence like a wretched disease of butt-knowledge stupidity.

The real reason is based on chance, and chance alone, solo or otherwise.
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I've specifically tested the "last hit" thing on swords from gardosen for 3rd job. Every time I would intentionally not get the last hit, I wouldn't get the item. Every time I got it, I got the item. These tests were done over all of my 3rd jobs, and it always works this way.

Some of the rumors are real, and others aren't. KOG definitely makes weird systems sometimes. The 10 fire golem hearts or whatever they were you need for 3rd job also were always a 100% drop until the 10th, which only came from one specific golem. No matter how long you tried, no other golems would drop it. Not sure if it's still that way post-revamp as I've not played in months.

As for Gaikoz's swords/seals, there don't seem to be any tricks to them.
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I remember the fire golem heart thing from experience. Never noticed anything about Gardosen. But rumors about Gaikoz were silly. I knew they didn't know what they were talking about because I've gotten swords while not even fighting Gaikoz, because I was almost dead or playing Arme and regenerating some mp or he just kept teleporting all over the place and dies before I get there. I just remember some hosts raging and kicking everyone because he/she didn't get a sword and was all "I didn't get last hit!"
 
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getting 2nd job still seems the same like it did before
just takes a little while longer to get
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