Changes to Reputation System (again)...

[Valese]

Someone before this post wrote that having dereps removed will cause people to actually speak out now instead of hiding behind reps. But when people actually call a name at, for example, the ranting section of the forums they get attacked or the whole thread or post gets removed, cause the person they were talking about is basically getting talked about, and that's a big no-no on these forums.

At least by derepping someone, you, me, everyone that derepped at least once, made sure that their voice could be heard without having the fear of getting their opinion removed, even if it was by 'hiding' behind the rep system. I actually left my name a couple times when I derepped members cause it didn't really matter to me because it was my opinion they were acting rude about; and they did derep back (it was obvious, and no I never asked a mod who derepped me, cause I couldn't care less) but never left their names.

So I think that the rep system should've been left the way it was. The only changes that would've been better would be actually showing the names of the people who rep or derep you, or completely removing the power the mods have to be able to check who gives what rep, and just let Yuki and Paul be the only ones that can.

[Tardar]

Originally Posted by Valese

So I think that the rep system should've been left the way it was. The only changes that would've been better would be actually showing the names of the people who rep or derep you, or completely removing the power the mods have to be able to check who gives what rep, and just let Yuki and Paul be the only ones that can.

There was a reason why mods couldn't show who derep'd you.... it was so there wasn't any "lolbutthurtrevenge dereps" going around. Adding the ability to show who rep/derep'd you does nothing.

Also, you prefer cowardice? If that something negative was actually something "useful"/constructive, the person should have the balls to just say it and not hide behind "I disapprove."

[NoeJeko]

Ok, I'll leave this thread open for discussion under the following guidelines:

1) We're not changing our decision. I appreciate the diversity of viewpoints shared but that diversity also solidifies the hypothesis that nothing we can do with this system is "right" by everyone.

2) Discussion will continue without attacking the others in the thread. Comments such as "only those with high rep complain" and "you prefer cowardice" are very thinly veiled ad hominem attacks and are not necessary. Attack each others' viewpoints to your hearts content but please keep it logical and within the confines of our rules.

If we can't operate under these guidelines (#2 especially) then we'll just lay this to rest and close the thread to further discussion.

Thanks.

[Adura]

Time to transition your pwning to PMs.

[gawhie]

If you feel like someone on the forum goes as far as you feel like ranting about him/her in a bad way, learn to use the ignore function. If you have anything constructive to say which could help said member out, please do so whether it be in some kind of reply to their post or PMs, but keep it formal. Keep dramas, disputes you have with players in-game just there as well and don't bring them here on the forums. Time can be spend on improving the site better than always dealing with rep issues between members which is time consuming. This change will bring more good than bad, the loss is at minimal as well. Just my opinion on this.

[ChocoKeiko]

For me, I would like that the rep system was completly removed, since only staff can de-rep, I would rather that they gave a warning for bad behaviour and going against the rules.

[Ayumi]

Originally Posted by Valese

Someone before this post wrote that having dereps removed will cause people to actually speak out now instead of hiding behind reps.

I honestly don't think that's going to happen even though the chance is higher now. Some people might care about rep while whining and crying about negs, but in most cases I think it's people who don't get along or people who know there's a chance "that person" negged them, for whatever reasons. There's usually never really a case of people being negged without "asking for it" by something they wrote in their post or simply because certain people do it "because they can" because it's who they decide to come off as around here. There's no big surprise when people get negged by certain people here. And if it's by someone else, then it's usually a "legit" case where you asked for it in your post.. buuut, if it's mature people, then they'd rather actually reply to your post and let you know why they disagree with yours instead of being childish and OMG LOL I'MMA NEG U, NEG TAKE THAT.

All I'm saying is that there's usually no big surprise when people get negged by person Y or X so I doubt there will be many cases where people wonder why exactly they got negged enough to discuss it. If you get negged for no apparent reason (where it's clear you didn't "deserve" it), it's usually by someone who would do it to other people too. Anyway, I doubt people left long messages in each other's User CP with a reason when negging, so I really don't think people are gonna fly at each other and make it any different.

[MedicationGeneration]

I support this change, in the sense that this feature is fading. As Noe had stated in the opening post, this feature was only meant for fun, and yet, people who decide to make it their lives sit behind a computer screen and believe they can hurt people via text. There was, and still remains an inbox function for a reason, don't just "dob" on people for no reason. If you have a problem with someone, discuss it in private. No one needs to listen, or read your crap, so just inbox them about it. If it does happen to get out of hand, there is a report function. All these things are here for a reason, don't turn this into a preschool by throwing tantrums when things don't go your way.

As for an earlier post, I support Valese in the sense that if you're going to "attack" someone, at least be decent enough to leave a name, and although sometimes it seems like a bit much to ask, the comment part of rep is there for commenting. Give a reason.

Apologies if I seem blunt or assertive, I just don't tolerate childish behaviour of this sort, having lead to this.

[Shiki]

Also, YouTube has a dislike button and it's awesome.

You also know almost all videos end up to be "HOW CAN XXX PEOPLE DISLIKE THIS?!?!" in the comments bar right?

However, someone fueled by rage and hate will write paragraphs and novels (see:rant forum). Once they calm down, it's back to lazy.

And basically this. You have no idea how many wall of texts all of us have received about stuff like this but when it comes to doing helpful stuff, they actually disappear. ;_;

[Red]

Sigh...they are just reps/dereps. They won't hurt you in real life, better yet they won't even hurt you online!

Leave Paul and the staff alone on this one, they work too hard for ggFTW. We shouldn't be giving them unnecessary trouble but support them when we can.

[Harlequin]

The average random de-repper doesn't have much rep power anyway. It's calculated on a formula whose factors include registration date, post count, and current reputation points. So people like to complain, but under any normal circumstance, the person who de-repped them probably only took like 20 at the most, which is pretty small (if I remember right, the pips are worth like 100 points each).

So yeah, it's like complaining because you dropped a penny and a kid picked it up and ran away laughing.

[Valese]

Originally Posted by Momiji

Also, you prefer cowardice? If that something negative was actually something "useful"/constructive, the person should have the balls to just say it and not hide behind "I disapprove."

I didn't say anything about preferring cowardice. My point was that posting in person may encourage flaming and result in the thread/post being removed even though it maybe "useful"/constructive. I think leaving a derep + comment privately maybe more effective instead of having their ego challenged in public and provoke arguing.

[Moo]

I support this change too. I always think that whatever is constructive and positive is also the best. Honestly, I'm sure 80% of negative reps left for members in general are chat, spam, harassment and the such. Most people even bypass the "you must leave a comment for -rep" rule by entering useless filler like "-" or "lol" or something completely stupid in the comment box. Clearly, the system requires you to say why you are giving that post a -rep so anything other than a valid reason would suggest to me the person has no real reason at all - they just want to troll and abuse the system. In the end, it's not a bad idea to encourage members to only leave reputation when it's for something positive. Thumbs up to Paul for implementing this change.

Originally Posted by Valese

The only changes that would've been better would be actually showing the names of the people who rep or derep you

I guess that would defeat the purpose of the system as being anonymous and encourage flaming or drama between members. Not showing the names is the same reason why we are asked to censor out names in screenshots when we post them.

[AnaSyami]

I simply think that the changes are for the best, the whole derep thing was useless besides the whole drama behind it, if you don't agree just either post about it but without being rude to the other person, or just PM them. It's so simple people, and yes I do believe some of the ones still grumpy about this change is because they can't troll as much as they were able to. Good Job gg ftw for keeping this website drama free and maintaining a healthy and happy community with the least of problems, because you all have to remember the staff is here to help us not against us in any way. Sad if any staff abused there power to view the reps just to add on to the drama then maybe you aren't mature enough to be a mod at all. But for the rest Good job and your work is highly apreciated.

[Dani]

Originally Posted by Harlequin

So yeah, it's like complaining because you dropped a penny and a kid picked it up and ran away laughing.

Hahahaha
If this makes less drama happen from people who whine from dereps then whatever works. However it still is sad that such a feature was removed due to a small group of people crying over it. After all, it's just red/green pixels under your avatar and name.

Whatever rocks your boat I guess.

[phantastic]

Reputation system has always been abused in every forum where it was added. Usually involved in reputation wars between people. Remove the negative wasn't so bad, though I think removing it completely would had been even better.

[1stsim144]

I never really liked rep systems anyway. Lol. But.. as long it keeps certain people happy, then I'd guess its fine. :]

[TheBlackCatXIII]

Nice adjustment - people tend to have a better quality of life in general when they have a certain amount of restriction asserted upon them. Unrestricted freedom will always bring about issues such as those seen in the reputation system.

[CodeCynthetik]

Never thought I'd say this but...


YES

Those de-repping trolls are the reason I don't come in here anymore. The anonymity behind it makes it twice as annoying.

Thank you. Thank you so much.

[Rem]

A little late, but im actually happy for this. That was one of the main reasons why i had decided to just use the lt forums instead of this.