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Dani 10-19-2009 05:09 PM

dem Grappler skills
I'm making a grappler on dnf (not dfo, atleast not now, lolol), and I don't really know what skills I should get, or what I should avoid.

Any pointers? ;_;

Skiegh 10-19-2009 08:14 PM

I've yet to really find any skills that are particularly bad. So much so I don't even know what I plan to devote my points to after I reach level 45.

I suggest just starting out by getting the skills for the prerequisites for skills you know you'll want later on. Things like Tornado kick, Spiral and things like that.

The only skills I can really suggest leveling are back breaker, Intense takedown and irresistible grab. All the other skills seem equally useful to me. I could see maxing all of them.

Not too many bad skills on grappler so I say just find the skills you like and max away.

iFarted 10-19-2009 10:28 PM

I would suggest to max sliding tackle as well. Sliding tackle + irresistible grab is pretty useful in pvp.

Skiegh 10-19-2009 11:43 PM


Originally Posted by iFarted (Post 1020280)
I would suggest to max sliding tackle as well. Sliding tackle + irresistible grab is pretty useful in pvp.

Ah right, forgot about that. If you plan to PvP or plan to max or use spiral to it's full capabilities in PvE, you need to max sliding grab.

Dani 10-20-2009 12:23 PM

Hmm, okay.
Thanks for the suggestions.

Naps 10-20-2009 12:52 PM

as a staple for all fighters, 5 air walk, as well as air steiner so its like 3 air walk steps + steiner

prerequisites are 5 fling and 5 seismic punch

suplex thunder is debatable because of its high cost. it is pretty useful at lower levels, so if you can get your hands on a stat reset, you can get it now, and reset later

Dani 10-20-2009 01:14 PM

I made this build just now in the past five minutes. AradSociety - Skill Planner

I'll prolly go back and fix it at some point and change things.
Skill cancels are a lot cheaper sp wise on dnf (all being 10sp), so I may raise tornado kick/SPINZAKU to a higher level.
How's this build? decent? terrible? ect

Cease 12-21-2009 04:21 AM

Tackle is not necessary on any build.

In PvP it is nothing more than a poke or combo finisher. It hits damn hard, so if you're thinking you're going to be able to initiate a juggle with it, you're going to be disappointed. The damage it deals goes directly towards the juggle cap, so the opponent will fast fall after like two more hits.

Get level 1 if you must; I've had great success with it, charging through everything for a 5k tackle and 3k suplex. It makes people QQ very hard.

But it's not needed. And definitely not maxed. Since it's %-based, you can leave it at 1. It's not going to be a big damage dealer in either PvP or PvE.

Intense Takedown is a must on any build, no exceptions. Even in PvP, grabbing the shit people leave out on the floor means you can do long-ranged pokes. Landrunners, Hodor, summons, things that proc from equipment (which people REALLY shouldn't have on in PvP), pretty much anything an Exocirst puts out (they hate it so much lol!). In PvE, it will double your damage. Makes shockwaves so damned huge it's not even funny...

My two cents.

Also, max Grab Mastery. You're gonna want as much QQ as possible from the opponent when you use your grapples. People HATE missing, but you will LOVE when they do, especially when Irresistible Grab is down and you're sliding at the enemy like a ton of rocks. Why wouldn't you want people to miss you when you use the most irritating skills in the game?

God I just looked at your build, 'tis a mess.

Seismic Punch must be maxed if you're ever planning to use it. It's a really, really bad skill. It has no hitbox until you hit the floor, so you can be hit out of it pretty easily, it flies a set distance so you'll never land it more than once on anyone not retarded, and it needs full investment otherwise the delay will kill you. Some people like it, so don't. I don't, obviously. You won't use it unless it's maxed so don't get the cancel.

Muse Uppercut should be maxed... I don't need to bother explaining that, it helps you juggle.

Your big three-- Wild Cannon, Spire, and Cyclone Suplex should be maxed. Most of your damage will come from these skills.

Elbow Shock is there for an extra attack while the enemies are OTG. It doesn't scale well in PvP and in PvE, you have much better things to spam. The shockwave is the only thing fixed on the skill, and that is irrelevant in PvP.

Neck Snap should be level 5 + Cancel. It's Grappler's single nod towards on the floor combos. It has an extremely long hitstun, and it's super fast, so you can essentially do XXX > Neck Snap > XXXX > Juggle. Doubles the amount of hits you can land while the enemy is standing, and that's damage that doesn't count towards the juggle damage cap.


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