The New 3rd Job Coon Skill: Heavy Hit

[Mike]

Does anyone have this skill?
Do you know what stats its based on?

What sort of damage are you getting with HV gears?

Did some Testing~
Final Results:

WT does not affect the damage at all.
LK does not affect the damage at all.
DP does not affect the damage at all.
HV does not affect the damage at all.

The rumored stats seem to be false then~

The skill seems to be based on AP and HP. Mostly on AP. I'd say the ratio of AP to HP is about:
56/44 respectively.

Looks like this skill was designed for the AP and HP builds.

Additional Info: Heavy Hit has a 3 second cooldown.
Single Target skill with knockback after the attack hits.
Only usable in Metamorphosis.

B> A formula 8D

[Soxy]

Could you possibly post some screenies of it as i wanna see it lol.
Also if you posted your stats we may be able to work something out about the formula?

[Mike]

Lol, the skill doesn't look all that impressive. It's just a wild nail with knockback like Impelling.

New Discovery: Skill is based on CURRENT HP like Impelling Rage and Power Charging.

A screenie wouldn't show much. Just imagine a wild nail ... lol

BTW, my Heavy Hit is only level 1. I figured though that when you level up a skill, usually there is only one multiplier that increases. That multiplier tends to just multiply the whole damage calculated in the formula.

Anyway, stats and associated damage:
All damage tested on Yamis in southeast forest. Now known as "green chipmunk" lol. They're Physical Weak. Forgot the multiplier for physical weak monsters. :S

HP equips:

HP~ 23499
AP~ 1598

Damage: 5289 Crit: 7991

AP Equips:

HP~ 15529
AP~ 2371

Damage: 5008 Crit: 7569

No Equips (Just a pouch):

HP~ 8810
AP~ 990

Damage: 2206 Crit: 3367

Phew, thats it :S

Note: It looks like my HP set gives more damage but my AP set just sucks lol :/
1103 HP gives 175 more damage.
2AP gives 3 more damage.

Taking 1 ap = 7.5hp (Leveling HP gives 30HP. Leveling AP give 4AP)

Damage to AP ratio is 1.5
Damage to HP ratio is 1.19 (close enough to 1.2)

[AurorasParadox]

edit: nvm... I misread the op =x

sorry.

[Jpen]

so when you have all you eq's on, the normal damage out damages the crit?

[Mike]

Ha, sorry. I'll fix that :P

[InnoSensei]

Ill give the skill some tests as well, but from what I see, nothing really impressive atm

[DUHgoBackToBasics]

man kinda bad.... meta was made for HV coons wth...at least this makes ppl who are 2AP/2HV are sorta even with ppl who are pure HV and have meta.

[Mike]

I've always wanted a second skill to combo with Meta.
Unfortunately it would have been better to have it back when other classes had so little hv we could actually hit them.

It does around about 1/3- 1/2 of the damage of wild nail. That's not terrible, but not many coons use meta to fight anymore anyway.

[Broken]

^but your damage actually depends on your gears and your build. You cant compare both skills damage wise.

I post my stats and pvp damage, because i dont know how to compare Wild Nails HV based damage with Heavy Kicks AP/HP (? really based on HP? D: ) damage.

my 1144 pure HV coon has with all my AP gears 7800AP and 16KHP.
Heavy Kick hits with ~20K crit in pvp.
My Wild Nail with 1.1K HV hits with ~28K crit in pvp. (i cant take screens of my Wild Nail right now, my Winter Shawl died and i recomped my HV shield and cape <.< i did hit that the last time i tested it)

So.. i dont really know how to compare 1.1K HV and 7.8K AP.
I guess they're both even, or lets say, Heavy Kick comes close to Wild Nail (if id be 4114 Pure AP the damage would be even, thats what i think).
And because its easier to get High AP than High HV, Heavy Kick is actually better than Wild Nail.

I think that skill is not as bad as the new Evo Skill.. i kinda like it 8D

[hueyple]

all i know about the new coon skill is that its like
IR when your in meta form ._.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Broken

^but your damage actually depends on your gears and your build. You cant compare both skills damage wise.

I post my stats and pvp damage, because i dont know how to compare Wild Nails HV based damage with Heavy Kicks AP/HP (? really based on HP? D: ) damage.

my 1144 pure HV coon has with all my AP gears 7800AP and 16KHP.
Raging Nail hits with ~20K crit in pvp.
My Wild Nail with 1.1K HV hits with ~28K crit in pvp. (i cant take screens of my Wild Nail right now, my Winter Shawl died and i recomped my HV shield and cape <.< i did hit that the last time i tested it)

So.. i dont really know how to compare 1.1K HV and 7.8K AP.
I guess they're both even, or lets say, Heavy Kick comes close to Wild Nail (if id be 4114 Pure AP the damage would be even, thats what i think).
And because its easier to get High AP than High HV, Heavy Kick is actually better than Wild Nail.

I think that skill is not as bad as the new Evo Skill.. i kinda like it 8D

Sorry, I based the 1/3-1/2 damage on wearing full HV gears. I forgot some of us have hax gears which give us massive amounts of both HV and AP :P

You're confusing the names a bit. Wild Nail. Heavy Hit. There aren't any more coon skills for meta :P

It is definately based on HP.

The fact that you came close to Wild Nail damage with your high AP means that this skill could very useful. Definately worth getting. Someone like yourself with good AP/HV gears could make good use of Heavy Hit in PvP (along with wild nail of course).

B> Hax HP/AP/HV gears

[Unpierce]

I don't really have the time to explain right now, but I *think* the formula is:

((Current HP/8)+AP)*%

an example would be:
lvl 5 238%
ap: 800
hp: 8000
Damage=((8000/8)+800)*2.38=4284

Ok, here's how I got it:
First I used it on torrobies a few times to get some data, the first part is my stats throughout the whole thing and the second part is the damage caused by each attack .

Stats:
No equips:
AP: 931
HP: 8030

AP equips:
AP: 1165
HP: 8030

HP equips:
AP: 931
HP: 9141

AP+HP equips:
AP: 1165
HP: 9141

lvl 4 ap 211%

No equips: 4082
AP equips: 4576
HP equips: 4375
AP+HP equips: 4869

lvl 5 ap 238%

No equips: 4604
AP equips: 5161
HP equips: 4935
AP+HP equips: 5492

Then I made it look like this:

lvl 4 211%
--------------------------
Normal AP: 931
Normal HP: 8030
Damage: 4082
--------------------------
AP: +234
Damage: +494
--------------------------
HP: +1111
Damage: +293
--------------------------
AP: +234
HP: +1111
Damage: +787
__________________________
lvl 5 238%
--------------------------
Normal AP: 931
Normal HP: 8030
Damage: 4604
--------------------------
AP: +234
Damage: +557
--------------------------
HP: +1111
Damage: +331
--------------------------
AP: +234
HP: +1111
Damage: +888

The first thing is that the damage cause by combining increased AP and HP is the same as both of them seperately, so we don't have to worry about that now. The second thing is that in pretty much all of the formulae involving ap, it usually adds on the ap before everything gets multiplied, to show that it also applies here, we'll isolate the ap section:

lvl 4 211%
--------------------------
AP: +234
Damage: +494

If you multiply 234 by 2.11, you'll end up with 494, rounded up.
__________________________
lvl 5 238%
--------------------------
AP: +234
Damage: +557

If you multiply 234 by 2.38, you'll end up with 557, rounded up.

So right now we have:

((??HP??)+AP)*%

As we don't know how hp is affected.

So now we add this section in:

Theoretical lvl 0 100%
--------------------------
Normal AP: 931
Normal HP: 8030
Damage: 1935
--------------------------
AP: +234
Damage: +234
--------------------------
HP: +1111
Damage: +?

We get our theoretical damage by un-multiplying previous damage by the multiplier, then re-multipling by 10.
We know that increasing ap will just be added on and multiplier, so we assume ap becomes 0 to get rid of it.

Theoretical lvl 0 100%
--------------------------
Normal HP: 8030
Damage: 1004
--------------------------
HP: +1111
Damage: +?

Now you can obviously see that HP is divided by 8, if you want further proof, 8030/8=1003.75 which is close enough.

The reason why I said 'I *think*' right at the start is that i haven't tested it further using this formula.