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I was looking at the stat calculator site given on the wiki on this site.

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I was looking at it and well... the difference in damage is not that bad. It makes me wonder now. You can look for yourself. I was looking a 4114 Cat and a 3124 Cat, looking at the skills and I mean of course the gap gets larger as the level gets higher. But I notice that gap is not that large at all.

Even at Lv.200 or 400. The worse the gap would be is about 1000 I think. If one ever reaches Lv.400 of course. That just means at Lv.200 it is around 500 and Lv.100 about just 250 difference.

I just now wonder if I should go with a 3124 build for the extra WT and LK. Sure, lose out on just a bit of AC and DX but it is not that great a difference. What do you all think?

I should explain more. Even if you are going as a pure HV Raccoon or pure AP Cat the difference between the two builds would be the same.

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Well, for a Pure AP Cat, Evolution could make the damage gap between a 4114 and a 3124 huge, and I believe that elementals would help the 4114 more. Then, other than that, assuming that you're using the same equips for both builds, the damage shouldn't be *too* different.

Personally, I would go 3124, just because for me, it's hell repotting so much. The WT really helps. Other people still prefer to have higher damage though.
 
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Well, for a Pure AP Cat, Evolution could make the damage gap between a 4114 and a 3124 huge, and I believe that elementals would help the 4114 more. Then, other than that, assuming that you're using the same equips for both builds, the damage shouldn't be *too* different.

Personally, I would go 3124, just because for me, it's hell repotting so much. The WT really helps. Other people still prefer to have higher damage though.
I suppose. Even so just at Lv.200 it is about a 2000 damage difference. Course just double that for the Lv.400 result. But yeah I mean with a Raccoon, going pure AP, Meta would not matter. Even pure HV of course.

Heheh... darn my perfectionism or OCD ( Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, not severe though, only with games wanting to get everything just right. That and maybe being sure a door is locked )... whichever it is that makes me feel this way, to wanna get it just right. I have always struggled with this game on what build to do, what skills and when, not so much the skills though.

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well i got at 4114 coon cause well at around lvl 80s at bugbears if u have super hips and doge master on and if ur Pure HV or have HV until lvl 60 but pure would make big diffrence in hitting rate tho but if ur 4114 just melee bug bears and just use HP pots if i were u just melee attack them with elemental wep but that was before nerf....so im not sure but i would go 4114 just cause im more offensive 3124 is a great build too u can carry alot more pots while being able to do great damage
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My cat is 3124 and if i were to remake her I probably would have a hard time choosing myself. It's really nice to be able to carry the extra weight, but sometimes I really miss the extra AP AC and DX. I guess you just have to weigh the pros and cons of each side and choose what you can/can't live with.
 
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Yeah it is tough to choose really. If there was no WT stat involved the choice would be obvious. But to sacrifice AP just to have that extra WT. It is like, have to deal with it or get that extra WT. And for me I am just unsure mostly. I usually stick/feel one way but then feel for the other way again.

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Yeah, there really is no absolutely "right" build for you to choose. Choose a build that suits how you want to play.

If you're into GvG/PvP, having a 1 in Sense can be evil, since you can easily spam your potions and run out. However, the extra point in Power can really help you out.

Honestly, you just have to weigh the pros and cons, and just decide what pros are more important to you. :X
 
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I'll rather go 4114, and 3AP + 1WT.

It's no point going 3124 and pure AP. You'll be wasting stats of AC+DX on DA+LK, which charms do not need.

4114 + 1 pt in WT nets you the same AP and WT as 3124 pure AP, but with the added AC and DX bonus. That is a much better choice.

If one is going 3124 pure HV, then the choice of 2 in sense can be justified more easily, since you have no other way of netting WT without sacrificing HV.
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Ah that's and interesting way of putting it. I never thought of it like that. I guess with all these pure AP or pure HV builds makes one tend to not think about something like that I guess.

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I went for 3124 pure ap for my coon, though i second zgmfx09a's idea.
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I was doing some calculating. And to put around 96 or 196 points int WT would do just fine I would say. Leaves you with some extra attack and you get about a 2-4k WT bonus I think it was. While only losing about 200-400 damage in attack skill damage, at least comparing with Power Blow. I will look more into it later.

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I look into it... I did these results out of Lv.400 even though I know that level is super hard to reach. Just, half the numbers for Lv.200 results and further half them from Lv.200 for Lv.100 results. PB short for Power Blow. VK short of Volley Kick and 2H short for 2-Hit Combo. Dodge Master was active and these are the amount of points used, NOT the stat number.

4114 Cat Pure AP Lv.400 ( Divide the numbers by 2 for Lv.200 results or by 4 for Lv.100 results. )

AP 1596
PB 7,704
VK 12,782
2H 13,148 & 16,889

AP 1500 WT 96
PB 7,473
VK 12,559
2H 12,754 & 16,594

AP 1400 WT 196
PB 7,233
VK 12,327
2H 12,345 & 16,287

As you can see the differences are small as I had said before. 96 gives about 2000 more WT and 196 gives about 4000 more WT. I guess I should further break down the differences. Once again just half the numbers to get the Lv.200 results.

( Divide the numbers by 2 for Lv.200 results or by 4 for Lv.100 results. )

AP 1500 WT 96
PB -231
VK -223
2H -394 & -295

AP 1400 WT 196
PB -471
VK -455
2H -803 & -602

Of course anyone can just go 1450 points into AP and 146 points into WT. Can be adjusted as pleased. But yes, thanks again for the idea, zgmfx09a.

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I would simply go 1441 and get WT accesoires
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man like i said go 4114 in PvP its always kill first to live!!! the WT i dont think is really gonna help that much the LK maybe a bit only a bit but look at those HAX drags and HAX lions dont think LK is gonna help much
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