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01-07-2013   #21 (permalink)
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This thread should bring in some lulz and popcorn... Hopefully the caramel-y kind.
Bring in the popcorn.


IMO, I think Poisonous was just stating what he thought and there is nothing wrong with that. I also think that he was saying for people to 1v1 his rac because he wanted to prove his point and not to brag that he's the best rac out there. I agree with fate; InfernalGuy if you don't agree that's ok too but why bring in the smashing face crap?

You seem like you're looking for trouble. How about you just drop it? It isn't worth all this flaming back and forth is it and where is it getting you two?
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Isn't Four of A Kind based on DA, so yeah.

The Wiki pointed that out.
What what what? I'd like to believe that's a typo -.- 'cause if not...
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1144 raccoons or the 4114 ones ?

just make a lion and shoot the bastards.
LOOOOL!! Oro dat!! <3


@Belle, thanks you understand <3

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Bring in the popcorn.
Already brought, thanks gaiz. <3

I know he's stating an opinion, I've stated my own as well as everyone else. ;]
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I believe that you are partially correct.

1. Sample size: you tested this with a sample size of 5. With a failure rate of 70% there would be a 24% chance of this happening. This probability is it rather high. Thus what happened on this video could easily be a fluke. If you were then to do a 5 sample test with 1 million luck and fail 2 of them nd you concluded -1k is better than 1 million LK and you were to publish it in a scientific journal, you would be rejected. You would have to conclude your study in a way similar to this:
"Results indicate that -1k LK has a higher success rate than 1mil LK. However due to the low sample size, further testing is required in order to comfirm this."
I would say, in order to make your claim, you will need to test out on at least 100 samples in order to gain a result that could tell you something. (It may be within 5% error)

2. The nature of how it works: I assume that LK will affect fullhouse within a particular range of LK. If LK is below the range, success rate will take the value of some preassigned minimum, within the range success will increase with LK and above the range, success rate will cap such that any extra LK will not be of any help (except for the addition of damage).
-1k LK is below the range so it will take on the min success rate. I do think the kTO and jTO players will have done extensive tests in order to claim that LK helps.
I also do not think that the min and cap are much different (say 20%). When grinding, this is significant enough to be noticed. (80% will have twice the number of fails compared with 90%)


In terms of FH damage, the damage increase from 4114 to the damage increase of 1144 is 2:1. In terms of total benefits for each of the stats the ratio is.
Ap:Lk:Hv
16:8:12
Assuming 16AP is equivalent to 1 LK
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You said your self raccoons do not tend to use more than 200 AC but ur diva uses 300... Contradicting yourself!!
I said that they tend to not need more than 200 AC, not use. That 300 is just from the base stats on my equipment - it's not something I aimed for.

I'm not contradicting myself, so don't put words in my mouth. Thanks.

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lmao, if we are going to talk about pvp now, I would be the first raccoon to be spoken to.. lmao! trust me, There has never been a raccoon with a 1144 who has kicked my ass!!
Are you kidding me? There are a lot of Raccoons that either quit playing or banned or w/e that are way better..
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Are you kidding me? There are a lot of Raccoons that either quit playing or banned or w/e that are way better..
^This one.

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Like I've said, your build alone is not judged by how useless or weaker your character is than other builds. Sure 1144 has some flaws when it comes to AP and AC but remember that those two stats can easily be compensated from your gears.

Heck, a pure HV 1144 and a pure HV 4114 don't have that much of a difference in AP and AC, really.

I know you PvP often or every day 24/7 but that doesn't mean you have beaten all coons out there just to prove 4114 or 3124 is superior than a 1144 coon.

And you just said yourself as a 3124 coon, your PC/IR are two of your skills that do the most damage and I can assume you have balanced AP, AC and HV as well. I don't see why a 1144 coon can't do that.
 
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4114 is the best build for gamblers because my coon is 4114 <:
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In my opinion a racoon battle is the most unpredictable thing as even a weaker raccoon stat wise can beat a higher stat raccoon. I've seen raccoons skunk others for like 10 straight or more. Aside from this whoever gets the lucky shots in 1st usually would win.
Well this was before, nowadays i don't even see the point in playing a raccoon in pvp as people just get stuck which makes it pointless to fight(i'm a raccoon myself, and i don't even want to use a raccoon now as i don't want fight someone who just will get stucked).
 
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1144 is best for both pve and pvp imo.

Why?

You can carry more pots just incase you get ganged or a 1v1 KoS fight w/o the help of a friendly mage. Sure you can use scrolls to heal but that's just a waste..

In pve you can solo chaos tower easily and pretty much pq w/o a need of a mage since you can just pots if FH fails or you get damaged.

The advantage of 4 on power can't match the 4 on sense. Weight helps you a lot.

Now if we're talking about damage on cards issues just slap an altiverse sword and your AP is all covered. It's easy to get it nowadays anyways.

I'm a 1144 pure HV raccoon and I have no problem in PvP and PvE.
 
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The advantage of 4 on power can't match the 4 on sense. Weight helps you a lot.
As much as I agree that a 4 in Sense really does help any character out A LOT, I have to say people who want to be purely offensive, and want to go all out stat-wise, usually go for a build that's similar to 4114. (Usually people who aim for insanely high numbers where every bit helps.)

My Raccoon is 3124, just because I didn't want him to have the same build as my Cat (which has been 4114 since I created her 5~6 years ago).

If I ever were to change my Raccoon's build, I would (100%) go 4114. But I like my little bit of extra WT :D
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1144 is best for both pve and pvp imo.

Why?

You can carry more pots just incase you get ganged or a 1v1 KoS fight w/o the help of a friendly mage. Sure you can use scrolls to heal but that's just a waste..

In pve you can solo chaos tower easily and pretty much pq w/o a need of a mage since you can just pots if FH fails or you get damaged.

The advantage of 4 on power can't match the 4 on sense. Weight helps you a lot.

Now if we're talking about damage on cards issues just slap an altiverse sword and your AP is all covered. It's easy to get it nowadays anyways.

I'm a 1144 pure HV raccoon and I have no problem in PvP and PvE.
This supports me saying it's all about the gears you have. For charms, the difference in AP is not really that significant because they don't have Pumping Heart or Adrenaline which will double or triple the AP differences.
 

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