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11-17-2012   #21 (permalink)
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Were there any other decent charm equips besides Roan?
Who knows when they'll rerelease character boxes.

Is galder barrage and fist full of galders the same thing? o_o
No galder barrage and fist full aren't the same thing. Galder barrage is an AoE version of galder thrower ; a pre-req for fist full of galders. Of course there are other decent charm equips. There's a nice cape in myshop the lvl 230 one I forgot the name..But there's miracle Jen, goddess shield(hard to get and very expensive but well worth it)..Believe it or not, most of the best equips for charms are in game equips, not myshop. Altiverse maiden queen/ Altiverse crimson equips are great.
 
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Thanks YenSai.

Hmm I think equips will be a challenge for me.
Waiting for MS.
And Altiverses are expensive/hard to get good ones.

And the cape; is it from a box, or a myshop cloak? ;;
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It's a cloak, Reliable Adventurer Cape 230. You can get the altiverse gears over time just be patient.
 
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Diva is stronger than Primadonna in both PvP and PvM. Unless you're terrible at balancing. Also; all Divas should be pure HP.

That's all I'm gonna say, because I know a certain someone is going to come along and disagree with probably everything I say.
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Thanks YenSai. :3
All her questions are pretty much answered.
But if anyone wants to post anyways go ahead.


Thanks everyone who posted.

Edit: plus repp'd Care.
Didn't see the post until now. qq
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She still don't know whether to go HV or HP.
Even after reading Valese's post. q-q
For sure a Primma.

Which stat is harder to be made up in equips?

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Hi Janny dear,

First of all, if your friend wants to become a Primadonna, I don't think HP is the right option. It'll benefit her if she becomes a Diva but as you said, she definitely wants a Primadonna. With this said, most Primadonnas are usually Pure AP (I'm not saying ALL). I've owned several AP Primadonnas before in the past (making and re-making) and they turned out pretty fine. I just get bored of certain classes easily, so I tend to make and re-make a lot. I currently own a HP Diva and I love her, as you probably already know.

I think it'd be a lot more logical for your friend to add all growth bonus points to the AP stat. Usually, people add the growth bonus points to determine certain skills (or all of their skills?).
Ask yourself, "Why do mages add MA?"

1. Well, they are mages.

2. MA enhances Magical Attack, and for Magical Attack you need Magical Attack Skills.

But then again I had an AP sheep a couple of years back (for fun, of course) but hey, with the semi-new Elemental Boost skill; Pure AP isn't such a bad idea.

Now going back to what I said about AP Primadonnas.
Ask yourself, "Why should anyone become an AP Primadonna?"

1. A few skills need AP to determine the physical attack of the certain skill. (E.g. 2 Hit Combo needs AP but it also needs HV)

2. For PvP/PvM as a Primadonna, it's best to go pure AP because of the first reason.

3. AP also increases general attack power with out the use of skills, also.

Now, "What about a HV Primadonna?"

1. Helps with physical attack skills.

2. HV also helps you with evading attacks

3. Charm Types are forced to have a four on their Build Graph, so it'd make sense to add onto one of the stats (HP, DP, HV **) but some may argue against that by saying
"How are you going to balance out then?"
- Well, what are equipments for? All stats are useful in their own way, though MA isn't very useful towards a Charm-Type.

**Notice how AP isn't in the list. 3124 would be a stable build for a cat in general. Adding AP to the soon-to-be-Primadonna = reasonably good HP, HV, DP because of the +4 and decent AP, DC, DX because of the +3 compared to other classes. As for Sense and Magic, they're not too important. +2 in Sense for the WT and as for +1 Magic, you might have low MP but that's natural. Don't bother in comping MP unless you have nothing else to do.

As for equipment, I think she should compounding AP/HP/HV. It's her choice, really. To which ever stat that falls behind, make sure that she tries to balance it out. - This can be done by mature compounding and finding the right equipments.

As Care pointed out earlier, I do strongly believe that Divas>Primadonnas (but that's just my opinion).

The only reasons I can think of to why someone would become a Primadonna is because of..

- Their Fashion in third job form
- Cuter Profile View
- Third Job skills (I so jelly of that Entrancing Wink &2 Hit Combo.)
- Evolution Lover. It's kind of useless to Divas (well to my HP Diva at least)

To summarize, I'm just going to say it's all your friend's choice. AP/HV/HP or what ever she feels is best for her and what ever she wants. AP or HV is what I'm recommending, though. (Or to just make a Diva and join the Diva club<3)

This is all just based on my own opinion. I hope I helped, by the way.
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Wow +rep Shanny.

Yeah she's probably going HV Primma.

And she would go Diva but she got Power Blow.


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First of all, if your friend wants to become a Primadonna, I don't think HP is the right option. It'll benefit her if she becomes a Diva but as you said, she definitely wants a Primadonna. With this said, most Primadonnas are usually Pure AP (I'm not saying ALL). I've owned several AP Primadonnas before in the past (making and re-making) and they turned out pretty fine.
I think an HP Primadonna is the right choice for someone who wants to be a PvP'er but doesn't want to go all out on MyShop Equipments. My Cat like I posted before (I think) used to be pure HP, but I changed her into Pure HV just because I was trying to break my own record of 2k HV with Dodge Master. (And my Charms are like hardcore PvP'ers so HV is a must for me.)

I think if your friend decides to go Pure HV, she should focus on an HV weapon, maybe 2 HV comped Accessories, and then the rest HP comped gear. (Later on she can get full HV and HP gears to mix up for a better balance.


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I think it'd be a lot more logical for your friend to add all growth bonus points to the AP stat. (..) Pure AP isn't such a bad idea.
You're right about that, pure AP Primadonna's with the Evolution skill are great for PvM, especially when you own a nice attribute set to go along with the high AP.

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1. A few skills need AP to determine the physical attack of the certain skill. (E.g. 2 Hit Combo needs AP but it also needs HV)

2. For PvP/PvM as a Primadonna, it's best to go pure AP because of the first reason.
2 Hit Combo's first attack is based on AP, 2nd hit is based on HV. Now if we compare 1AP:1HV (just to make it easier), Cat's would need lower HV to get higher damage. My Cat uses about 14k AP with 2k HV, and my 2nd hit does over double the damage than my first hit. That's why Pure HV > Pure AP, based on skills. However, like you said before, a Pure AP Cat is great (for PvM), but unfortunately not for PvP :3

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3. Charm Types are forced to have a four on their Build Graph, so it'd make sense to add onto one of the stats (HP, DP, HV **) but some may argue against that by saying
"How are you going to balance out then?"


**Notice how AP isn't in the list. 3124 would be a stable build for a cat in general. Adding AP to the soon-to-be-Primadonna = reasonably good HP, HV, DP because of the +4 and decent AP, DC, DX because of the +3 compared to other classes. As for Sense and Magic, they're not too important. +2 in Sense for the WT and as for +1 Magic, you might have low MP but that's natural. Don't bother in comping MP unless you have nothing else to do.

As for equipment, I think she should compounding AP/HP/HV.
You really only need HV and HP for your Charm type. The only AP you have to get you can easily get by equipping 1 Altiverse (HV comped) Sword, that's refined to about level 10, which is pretty easy to get nowadays.

A 3124 build would be great for someone who's just starting to use Charm types, or doesn't want to spend money on a MyShop Pouch. (It can get pretty expensive I guess.)

All I can really recommend is that you /never/ compound anything else other than HV or HP on your gears. Especially if you're going to be a PvP'er. You can easily make up for any stat loss (like AP or MP) by having decent bases on your gears :3

Good luck once again!
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I was recommended by a friend to buy a pouch but I guess I didn't want to spend so much MS on the recharge coupons &etc. xD; Anyway, I suggest you listen to Val then. I'm not much of a kitty pro like her. I guess pure HV does makes a lot more sense. No love for my AP Primadonna, though and yeah, she isn't the best for PvP I guess. >;
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Then I think shes going pure HP since she doesn't have a GINORMOUS myshop budget.
Plus I don't think she'll be a hardcore PvPer.
Just duels here and there & survival man mode.

Wow thanks again Valese & Shanny. <3
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