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Internet Atheists: No thanks, not interested

Posted 10-22-2009 at 07:38 PM by Ethane
Updated 10-22-2009 at 08:27 PM by Ethane
The other day I came across this blog entry - /forum/blogs/soc/174...godhaters.html - which is a pretty fair rant and assessment about an ever-growing annoyance on the internet.

There's two types of atheists: the regular every day adult atheist who manages to be well-adjusted in society (think Penn and Teller), and then there's the internet atheist. The internet atheist is nothing like the former, he or she instead prefers to evangelize his non-belief all over the internet and if you don't agree with him, then you're just a cut-and-dried non-sapient idiot. Their favorite lairs are hugboxes like Reddit, Digg, and geek/tech forums were the "I'm an ATHEIST!" backslapping, circlejerking party never ends.

Whatever your personal beliefs are, whether you believe in a god or not, we all can agree that internet atheists are the most irritating morons on the entire internet. I recently ran across a few awesome quotes that do a better job than I can of explaining these dolts, so enjoy:

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Angry atheists are very interested in religion. They are looking for peace and truth but can't find them because they have closed themselves off from the only thing that can ever give it to them. So they look for it in all the wrong places and get increasingly frustrated and angry (and wretched and unlikable.)

tl;dr paradoxically, atheists are actively seeking Christ but do not know it.
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...there's a huge difference between an everyday person who just simply doesn't believe in God (for whatever reason) and a person who sperges out about it. Sure, there are people who take their religion very seriously and get in peoples faces about it, and there are people who are more private about their beliefs. The difference, as I see it, is that 95% of angry atheists are goons. Whether they post on the internet or not, they are all furious that anyone could believe in the sky wizard.
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Seriously, most people I know who really don't believe in God are completely at peace with it and completely at peace with other people believing something different. These people are usually well-adjusted adults. I can only guess that the atheist evangelists are either looking for attention, resolving some authority issues, or actually believe that God will get so pissed off that he'll magically make an appearance and then they can set God straight on His role as their personal "cosmic babysitter" and wish machine.

Internet atheists are usually heavily involved in fantasy roleplay and believe the universe should be "fair" (according to their rules). That makes me believe that they're still stuck in the preoperative stage (ages 2-6) and trying to get God's attention by misbehaving. Normal adults usually just let people believe whatever they're going to believe and go about their business in a universe that doesn't play fair.
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it's perceived as an attack on what they consider their doctrine and they respond exactly the same way as fundies do when someone says the bible is wrong.
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they know they're gigantic failures with no hope of being less of a loser, so they cling onto something that they imagine makes them better than other people (corollary: they also imagine it's the most important aspect of someone's identity.) ... Basically it's a crutch.
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I spend 20 hours a day in my basement.

I have never been employed.

I am more logical than you.
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the internet-atheists are loud and evangelical about it because they don't buy the premises of religion, but at the same time, they still have the same urges that many people have been hard-wired with since the dawn of time--the need to feel smug, or holier-than-thou, or whatever you want to call it. it is easy to justify these urges when you genuinely believe that your worldview, if widely adopted, would lead to a vastly better world.

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  1. Griever's Avatar
    Why should so-called "internet atheists" follow the silence-is-golden rule when Christians and/or any other religious extremists don't?
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    Posted 10-22-2009 at 07:45 PM by Griever Griever is offline
  2. Ethane's Avatar
    You pretty much answered yourself right there

    Why in the world are they evangelizing non-belief, according to them we're all destined to become fertilizer no matter what happens so why do they even bother
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    Posted 10-22-2009 at 07:55 PM by Ethane Ethane is offline
  3. Torikakae's Avatar
    I laughed at the 2nd to the last one because it's true XD
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    Posted 10-22-2009 at 08:06 PM by Torikakae Torikakae is offline
  4. Globalastro's Avatar
    @Griever that's just it, like Ethane said. If you dont believe in something then most likely, you dont think about that something. Do you believe in Bigfoot? if you dont, do you go around trying to prove he doesnt exist? I mean, if you were to try to prove he doesnt exist, why would you search for the thing that doesnt exist to prove it? It just shows that you DO believe in it but wont admit it.

    Very good entry Ethane
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    Posted 10-22-2009 at 09:07 PM by Globalastro Globalastro is offline
  5. 1stsim144's Avatar
    Ethane just made my day :3

    D: I can't give kudos. ;-;
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    Posted 10-22-2009 at 09:11 PM by 1stsim144 1stsim144 is offline
  6. Mitchi's Avatar
    95% of the time I see your name attached to a thread or blog post, I'll read it, and this is a good example why.

    Internet Atheists annoy the crap out of me. Normal Atheists that I meet in the real world do not. A friend of mine once (and ONLY once) randomly said to me:

    "I don't personally believe in God...I just can't see it. I'm cool with it that you do believe in him, as long as you don't try to convert me. And likewise, I'll do the same and not get in your face about my personal non-belief."

    (This was because we were discussing the Christian group down the hall whose sole purpose in life seems to be to tell other people (and the other, more tolerant Christian youth group) that they're horrible people and are going to hell (mostly for playing Magic the Gathering))

    In all honesty, I don't like it when anyone gets up in my face about their choice of religion or lack thereof. I'm all for a calm, intellectual discussion about high powers and whatnot, so long as the discussion stays peaceful, and they aren't trying to convert me. At the end of the day, I'll take from these conversations what feels right and makes sense to me.

    Only other thing that annoys me on a similar level is places that won't hire you if you're not a mega Christian when it doesn't even make any sense (like a coffee shop or a burger joint).
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    Posted 10-22-2009 at 10:09 PM by Mitchi Mitchi is offline
  7. Griever's Avatar
    @Ethane
    "You pretty much answered yourself right there

    Why in the world are they evangelizing non-belief, according to them we're all destined to become fertilizer no matter what happens so why do they even bother?"

    That was supposed to be rhetorical, but yeah, I think you got the gist. The reason "vocal" Atheists actively inform others of their beliefs, or lack thereof, is to even the playing field.

    If the batsht crazy Fundies kept to themselves, most Atheists would reciprocate the same way; they would reciprocate in a passive manner.

    @Globalastro

    No, lol. That's not what it means. If I try to prove the non-existance of Bigfoot, I'm simply trying to educate the people that are too dim to realize that Bigfoot doesn't exist.

    By your logic, the converse is also true. The reason religious fanatics constantly vocalize their beliefs is to establish some weird form of self-persuasion. The reason they proclaim their beliefs so passionately is because deep down they don't believe it, but they're trying to convince themselves that it MUST be true.

    @Michi

    Unfortunately, not everyone sees it the way you do. I wish they did though. I have absolutely no qualms about bashing someone's religion if they try to convert me or instill any of their teachings. You indoctrinate, I reciprocate.

    That being said, several of my good friends are religious (several Christian, a few Jewish and 1 Muslim too! :O) Sometimes they talk about their religion with me and they know I'll listen because I find it genuinely interesting. I'm 100% ok with them believing in whatever deity they choose. My friends know that discussion of religion is absolutely fine, but trying to convert someone is stupendously ignorant and inconsiderate.
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    Posted 10-22-2009 at 10:39 PM by Griever Griever is offline
    Updated 10-22-2009 at 10:53 PM by Griever
  8. Ethane's Avatar
    Griever: Just about every major religion on earth has two tenets that they all follow:

    1. This religion is the only correct/true/right religion

    2. You should go out and convert people to this religion

    Take a look at #1 there, you're going to be hard pressed to find a mainstream religion with scripture that states "Yeah, this particular path is the only way to enlightenment but those other guys? They're pretty cool too I guess."

    As for #2, yeah I know it can be annoying. I'm no fans of Watchtower or Latter-Day Saints knocking on my door giving me their version of the good news either, but I can understand why they're doing it and at least be polite to them. They're not being stupidly ignorant or inconsiderate, they're trying to save me from whatever hell they fear and offer me what they consider enlightenment. Even Penn understands that concept.

    Internet Atheists on the other hand are an internet phenomenon, and for reasons state above are an irritating and constant one. A Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Etc can't discuss anything rationally with them because they consider your religion an overriding factor and the end of the subject. For instance (from Reddit, of course):

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    Originally Posted by Internet Atheist
    Even if they (anyone who follows a religion) manage to seem smart in other areas, the massive gap in critical thought required to swallow religion renders you pretty firmly in the unintelligent category.
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    Originally Posted by Not Internet Atheist
    Okay. Allow me to list some "stupid" people for you. Martin Luther King, Jr, C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien, President Obama, (cut for space limitations -Ethane)
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    Originally Posted by Internet Atheist
    And to my knowledge, none of them meet my qualifications. One and all, with perhaps a few arguable exceptions, they believe in something with no observable basis in fact. They are dangerously superstitious and gullible, enough so for me to label stupid.
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    Posted 10-23-2009 at 08:08 AM by Ethane Ethane is offline
  9. Griever's Avatar
    @Ethane

    The irony of #1 is that they expect people to accept or at least tolerate their teachings and right to believe when they themselves never follow the inverse.

    Polite to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? You gave me a good chuckle there. Their gospel has virtually nothing to do with being polite or civil. They ARE in fact being ignorant or inconsiderate. Polygamy? Arranged marriages in this day and age? Seems pretty inconsiderate to me (I feel so bad for the girls that are born into that cult.) =/

    I've encountered just as many Internet Fundies as I have Internet Atheists. The thing is, the Internet Atheists always follow suit to the Internet Fundies when they say something dogmatic online. 9 times out of 10 it's in that order and not the reverse (oh look, that blog in your first post.) I've only rarely encountered a scenario where an Internet Atheist initiated the "discussion."

    Quote 1 (IA):
    I don't think you can put a direct coorelation on religion and intelligence. Believing in religion doesn't mean you're stupid, it just requires suspension of disbelief.

    Quote 2 (NIA):
    Include L. Ron Hubbard on that list. Before he went clinically insane and invented Scientology, he was brought up with "another" religion.

    It's ironic that Lewis and Tolkien are on that list because the church often doesn't approve of writing such as that: i.e. Harry Potter, anything to do with magic, etc.
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    Posted 10-23-2009 at 08:48 AM by Griever Griever is offline
  10. Ethane's Avatar
    I think I've done a pretty good job of explaining why religious people go out evangelizing, and not going to defend it further. Protip: Every major religion has bad elements, sects, and unpopular tenets. Unless you can prove that the majority of folks in Utah are practicing what you've stated, what you've said doesn't hold water.

    Religion is a huge hot topic and I'm not concerned with who-follows-who on these debates. You're missing my entire point, which is these people flat-out label anyone who follows a religion to be a complete idiot who doesn't deserve to be heard. Ever. I'm stating that I find their motivation in doing so to be completely retarded and ridiculous, much more so than someone preaching about the magic man in the sky and evangelizing about him.

    So spare me your Hubbard remarks, anti-Potter and anti-DnD hysteria, the Inquistion, the Crusades, and whatever instances you can find of religion being flat-out and completely stupid. I'm very aware of all of these, and they have nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Good job for trying though.
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    Posted 10-23-2009 at 11:03 AM by Ethane Ethane is offline
  11. Mitchi's Avatar
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    They ARE in fact being ignorant or inconsiderate. Polygamy? Arranged marriages in this day and age? Seems pretty inconsiderate to me (I feel so bad for the girls that are born into that cult.)
    Are you kidding me? O-o

    It's not as bad for them as it may seem. The polygamy stuff, that's not real Mormonism, you know. As for feeling sorry for the girls...do you realize that for Mormons, the home is the woman's castle? Yeah, the dad may go out and be the breadwinner and discipliner of the children, but when you're in the house you best believe that Mommy is in charge. They have a lot of things that don't make sense to me (not being able to eat fast food or smoke, or drink alcohol) but it's not exactly bad.

    I know of this girl who was raised mormon, and she was raised with a lot of the skills needed to be a "good wife," and guess what? She's very very happy being a wife and mother, even though she's not a follower of the religion anymore. While they do kinda raise their daughters to be housewife material, but how is that any different from societies of old and a lot of Asian cultures? It's not as though they're looking down on the girls.

    As for the being polite issue...even if they aren't "polite" or "considerate," how does that make it right to go out of your way be inconsiderate to them? I can see why a lot of people evangelize when there are people that make it a point to be rude to religious people.
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    Posted 10-23-2009 at 01:54 PM by Mitchi Mitchi is offline
  12. Griever's Avatar
    It's not even worthwhile to mention that every major religion has its good and bad eggs. That applies to virtually everything.

    ______________

    Not as bad for them as it seems? They live a lifestyle that essentially shackles them.

    I'm not even going to argue this point. If you're heartless enough to believe that the LDS aren't doing anything bad...k. Do you ever watch the news?

    ________

    Anyway, you've yet to answer the most fundamental question about this debate.

    Why should "Internet Atheists" keep their thoughts to themselves, when you know damn well that Internet Evangelicals aren't able to shut their traps? The whole "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" spiel always seems to be applied to religious people, but never to the Atheists (in fact, most of the time it's the Atheists that are applying this logic.)
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    Posted 10-24-2009 at 07:20 AM by Griever Griever is offline
    Updated 10-24-2009 at 07:22 AM by Griever
  13. Ethane's Avatar
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    Anyway, you've yet to answer the most fundamental question about this debate.
    Fine, I'll break it down Barney-style for you.

    1. Go back and re-read my original blog post

    2. Notice my opening statement and the several quotes I added afterwards

    I don't even know why I'm bothering replying, because I have a pretty good idea what your followup is going to be. It's too bad I never mentioned "predictable" in the OP.
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    Posted 10-24-2009 at 11:13 AM by Ethane Ethane is offline
  14. Mitchi's Avatar
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    Not as bad for them as it seems? They live a lifestyle that essentially shackles them.

    I'm not even going to argue this point. If you're heartless enough to believe that the LDS aren't doing anything bad...k. Do you ever watch the news?
    Heartless, no, but informed, yes. I know several Mormons and as an interested person, I was willing to hear them out on a lot of their beliefs.

    Did I ever say they aren't doing anything bad? No. I said that the whole polygamy thing isn't in the actual teachings of LDS. No, Their emphasis is heavily based on how important family is, and generally, it includes one mother and one father. Refer to previous post on how the home is the woman's castle, too.

    Shackles them? Really? Have you met any actual mormons? Because a lot of Mormons I've either met or know of, aren't really shackled. And guess what: They can leave any time they want. So yeah.

    Again, yeah, there's bad seeds in the bunch, but it's not the majority man O_o
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    Posted 10-24-2009 at 02:11 PM by Mitchi Mitchi is offline
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