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Originally Posted by the idiots
Overwhelming evidence has surfaced to prove that Sandy Hooks is a hoax. For example, the recently released CNN helicopter footage that is supposed to show children escaping from the school is obviously set somewhere else. The "grieving" parents are surprisingly joyful during their interviews. The footage from the early hours of the incident shows a traffic pattern that makes it impossible for emergency vehicles to operate. There are many other points with various degrees of credibility, but anyone doing serious research should find plenty to disprove the "official" story. In spite of this, many people still manage to believe the TV version of the Sandy Hoax drama.
And there are many other people who debunk the conspiracy easily. Additionally, you don't mess up if you're making a cover-up. The government would not make such blatantly obvious mistakes in a cover-up.

Originally Posted by the dingbats
The critics often say that it is crazy to believe that Sandy Hook is a hoax, but this is simply an irrational emotional response. Their main argument is that the media and the government would not make such a big lie and then lie so poorly. This is the exact working principle of the "Big Lie", one of Hitler's techniques. Many people know about this technique and then fall for it anyway. Another common claim is that it's hard to fake that many deaths, but the "victims" could have been easily paid off to live with new identities. Regardless of the facts, sheeple believe what is shown on TV. They are suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome - they've learnt to love Big Brother. Accurate information and logic do not matter to them. Without the means to defend themselves, they are just sheep being led to the slaughter.
The Big Lie, in essence, is making a lie that's so outrageous it "has to be true." The government "mak[ing] such a big lie and then [lying] so poorly" is not the Big Lie. In the event of a cover-up, it would be the small things that the vast majority of people would not see at all.

Originally Posted by the stupids
The proposed gun control legislation does not improve public safety, but reduces the ability of the people to resist tyranny. High capacity magazines are not necessary to kill unarmed people or commit crime, but are very important for fighting armed minions of a tyrannical government, and deterrring [sic] a foreign enemy invasion. Making fighting weapons less available to people reduces their ability to defend themselves. People without the ability to defend themselves are at greater risk than people that can defend themselves.

1) Who is going to invade the US? We have the longest border in the world with Canada and it's extremely peaceful. Mexico? That's what the gover-- "Big Brother" is there for. Not to mention Mexico wouldn't be in the right mind invading a country whose military is vastly superior to it's, not to mention they have other problems they would/should be focusing on anyways. So we look outside of the US. China? Not in any initial phases of a conflict. Nort-- don't even try to say that North Korea will invade. There is no country that could successfully have a surprise invasion on the US (as of now).

2) As they point out in a later paragraph, the gap between accessible to civilian weapons and military weapons is too high. To think the small portion of dissidents that have themselves armed with second-rate weapons would even make a stand against a drone that could just bomb them from thirty miles away is folly.

3) "People without the ability to defend themselves are at greater risk than people that can defend themselves." Nice basic logic. Problem? Our government is adequately able to defend itself, so that shouldn't be a problem.

Originally Posted by the crazies
While the threat of a crazy gunman exists, it pales in comparison to the threat of a murderous government. Murderous governments are not fiction, but historical fact and have emerged virtually everywhere where gun control has been put in place. Even today, millions of political prisoners are being tortured to death in communist countries. People point to the many Western nations that have gun control but no murderous governments as examples, but these governments know that if they were to start killing their own people, Americans would step in. America is the last bastion of freedom on the planet and that is why America is under sustained attack.
Which is why there have been so many murderous American governments in the past ten years...?

And then there's the fact that they argue that America is the last bastion of freedom when it's consistently ranked one of the less free countries in the world (New Zealand ranks #1 right now-- and to top it off, New Zealand's gun control is more restrictive than the US's). They also argue that "other Western countries [are afraid of US intervention]" in the event that they start killing their people. What's to stop it from going the other way. The present a hypothetical and they don't even acknowledge the other side of it.

Originally Posted by Sons of Stupidity
The biggest threat to America today comes from within. That threat is traitors in high positions. These traitors work covertly and watch their actions carefully lest they become exposed in a manner that removes the doubt of the public, most of whom cannot believe that such massive treason can take place in our society. They have chosen the ideal cover for their goals of subverting America - the guise of public servants. Using their positions of power, they have gradually eroded our freedoms and rights to further increase their own power. America is now on the brink of dictatorship, where this small group of traitors can have unlimited control of the nation.
They argue that the traitors work carefully so that their true nature isn't exposed, yet, Sandy Hook is exposed. Logical fallacy.

Arguably America is on the brink of a dictatorship due to the ineptitude of Congress, resulting in Obama having to use Executive Orders to get his agenda done. But at the same time, the people also voted him in.

Originally Posted by wot
The ignorance of the public makes tyranny possible. Many people still believe the Sandy Hoax made for TV drama/story. This amazing feat of ignorance can only be explained by a mental disorder. This type of mass psychosis is one of the conditions necessary for a brutal regime to come to power with popular support. This is the type of mass psychosis that has fueled the public support of murderous dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. This type of mass psychosis is now prevalent in America and the traitors know it. It is no surprise that they are now seeking to disarm the rest of us, so that we cannot resist their planned tyranny.
Last ditch effort: blame it on a psychological disorder. Make an appeal to exceptionally murderous governments that a common American (bar Pol Pot) would be able to recognize.

The problem? Hitler, Stalin, and Mao all achieved public support differently. Hitler was able to maintain some degree of popular support because of two reasons: he explain why the Germans lost WWI without seeing any damage in Germany and he fixed the economy. The Germans were perfectly fine with having less rights so long as their economy was functional. And then there's the problem that Hitler wasn't much of a German-killer as the idiots would imply.

Originally Posted by i don't even
Gun control legislation is in direct violation of the Constitution that the legislators have sworn an oath to uphold. The Constitution recognizes and protects the right of the People to own firearms and to use them for self-defense. These are not privileges granted by the Constitution, they are God-given rights that are recognized and protected under the Constitution. They are rights that every legislator has sworn an oath to protect, regardless of religion. Legislation that violates the Constitution is an act of treason. Planning such legislation is planning to commit treason. Feindstein is one of the people planning this, but she is not alone. Feindstein herself has suspicious links to communist China. With leaders like this, it is not surprising that China's economy bloomed while California's withered. Her co-conspirators may have similar alternative allegiances. If they can disarm the people and rewrite the Constitution, there will be nothing to stop them from making policies to imprison people opposed to them, or to use their positions of power for profit at the expense of the nation. They are already filthy rich from having done that.
Is it in direct violation? I don't see the Supreme Court smiting down the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban or smiting down regulation that requires licenses and registration.

The Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt have a Remington Bolt Action Rifle so that thou shalt be able to fight the dinosaurs, and the homosexuals, (and "Big Brother").

Feindstein? Her name is Feinstein. Additionally, I don't see any kind of sketchy connections to China. And of course the good 'ol correlation = causation. By virtue of California's economy declining and China's economy growing (despite having been growing since before California's economy began declining), she must have had a hand in causing this.

Originally Posted by yeah.... no
Some people say that the weapons available to the people are not sufficient to protect freedom from tyranny, because the state has much more powerful weapons. There is truth to this criticism and this is because the state has been gradually eroding self-defense rights of the people for some time now. Under the Constitution the people should be able to possess the same weapons as the government, without restrictions. That includes fully-automatic weapons. Needing a permit for concealed carry is already an infringement of the Second Amendment. At the same time, the state has been arming itself to the teeth, including armored vehicles and drones. These weapons are a threat to our freedom and our lives. That money should be used to build our communities, instead of holding us hostage. The legislation that infringes on our rights needs to be removed and our rights must be restored and vigilantly guarded.
I'm tired of all the bullshit. Make it stop.

The Constitution merely grants the right to own a firearm. It does not specify what kind, and arguably the argument can be made that it does actually apply to civilians. Historically that has not been the interpretation, but interpretations can change (see: segregation).

This little diatribe is 95% bullshit and warping what is actually true. So very typical of gun rights martyrs.

Last edited by james; 03-13-2013 at 01:58 PM.