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HV will always be more important than HP in PvP (especially if you're going to be a Gambler who doesn't have Sumo to rely on). So if you're going to be a PvP'er, spending money shouldn't be an issue. That said, you shouldn't aim for anything less than 60k HP with 1.2k HV.

Originally Posted by Care

That's like saying what's the point of going HV if you can't get a considerable amount. Power Types have an easier time reaching above and beyond 1,000 AC than Charms do reaching 1,000 HV. With it being 1:1 between the two.. it's not exactly a good story.

Also; HV was nerfed - just the same as LK was, so even if you somehow have 9000 HV, you're still going to be getting hit more often than you should.

Never said that having tons of HV is going to make everyone miss every hit on you. It does help make them miss more, I would know since a lot of people test on my Raccoon and when I put on a little bit more HV (say 20 more than their AC) they start missing a lot more.

Originally Posted by Care

Doesn't mean it's the best. I say it's not because Full House's recoil is based on AP. But everyone has their own opinion.

Then we should just not wear any AP, I guess. Don't understand how 4114 would be a better build for Gamblers (in your opinion) than 3124 (cause that's the /worst/ build), since you say Full House's recoil is based on AP?

Originally Posted by Esper

You're already balancing HP/HV so it's assumed that you'll have a decent amount of HV as a pure HP. No one is saying to go into PVP with 120k HP and 400 HV. The same can be said about the vice versa. What's the point of going into PVP with 20k HP and magically getting 1hko when your HV fails.

Common PVP sense shows that balancing stats is important and always will be.

No one said anything about 120k HP with 400 HV or not balancing at all? All I was pointing out was that HV > HP. Everyone sees all those average Raccoons stack up on HP HP HP, but get in PvP and get a one-way pass back to the waiting room in 1 hit.


Also, this is purely based on vs Bunnies/Buffalo's etc, since those will probably be the hardest to fight against in PvP for kikupapi in the beginning.