Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Kearny, NJ
Level: Base:236 TM:278
Originally Posted by MedicationGeneration
Thank you for the support. Much appreciated.
Now -- 3 days ago I found this somewhat suspicious seller, selling an Ice Heart Sword, nevertheless I followed up on it. I attempted to buy this axe, I was fortunate enough to have the seller trust me enough as to accept my conditions of me being in posession of the axe before I send the fund via paypal. (Yes, paypal.) The asking price was $300, and I offered 250. The deal proceeded to go well. The seller then asked me to send the funds to a "friend's" paypal account, and then he would call his friend to get the deal underway, who seemed to be in the "cinema" (obviously had his phone turned off, or perhaps the friend didn't exist.)
I gave the seller the benefit of the doubt as his personal life is of no concern to me, for as long as I'm in control of the transaction.
The seller asked me to provide screenshots of me sending the money, step by step, and to post on my ggFTW profile as we walked each other through it. This was when he told me he "created a ggftw account called iceaxe", a little half-assed, don't you think? At this point I'm having my doubts, but again, as long as I was in control. The seller then handed me over the axe and I attempted to wire the money over to the sellers' "friend's" account, when it was denied, explaining paypal is unable to send money from my location, to Brazil.
Upon seeing this, I handed the axe back over to the seller, and apologized for the inconvenience, I also supplied a screenshot of my paypal error message, so that he knew I was legit.
So off I go, disappointed, but concerned for other buyers that may have a run-in with this character.
Within a matter of minutes, a friend of mine, who had been keeping an eye on the situation, explained that the axe may in-fact be a polite, friendly player by the name of iAgent, who -- If anyone has been around him for the past week or so will know -- had his axe stolen from him when lending it out for the "queen trials". The player he lent it out to was Distributex, who actually personally whispered me beforehand asking me whether it could borrow my axe for the same reason. (In which I obviously turned down.)
[With help from the very sharp friend I mentioned earlier];
So! -- After intensive detective work, -cough- I proceeded to ask iAgent the specs on his axe, he explained it was previously fl1p's Axe, and held a 74% compound in the 3rd slot, with an in-game ice crystal, and the rest of the compounds were high 60s. The axe of his was also refined to level 11 -- exactly the stats of the suspected item.
[With more help from the very sharp friend I mentioned earlier];
I decided I'd keep watch of this character and not let the opportunity slip away just yet. I explained to the seller that I had called Paypal.com and asked for a 1-time-use exception in the ability to send funds to Brazil, the seller seemed okay with that, so I said I will be getting a call back to let them know whether it will be allowed.
At this time, the seller would log on and off just to message me once, get a reply, and then log off. This happened nearly 10 times, I'd guess. Each time the seller logged off, either koiti, or O3 would log back on. And vice versa. koiti/O3 logs off, seller logs on. Seller converses with me, logs off. On jumps koiti/O3. I know this because I had all 3 of them on my friends list as I sold myshop to them previously, on a number of occasions (with no problems).
I consulted with my friend, and he explained he had held the same suspicions prior to me even bringing iAgent into the picture. However, suspicions are just suspicions.
A few days before this, I had recently sold myshop to koiti, who appeared to be "himself", in which he came under budget in being able to pay for his myshop. I insisted on saving him the points for when he has enough money. He "swore to god" that he didn't have any more than 475m, when the item he was trying to buy was 575m. After trying to convince him I was not going to sell his points to anyone else, he finally said he will borrow money off a "friend". A few moments pass, and in walks a 2nd job buffalo named "KoitiBuff", I shit you not. After a quick trade, he then had enough to pay for his myshop, and I sold it to him with no complaints. Everyone was happy, except I was a little shaken up as to whether this person was actually this stupid...
Anyway, the seller and I agreed to finalise the deal, and I said I was still waiting on the phonecall, but it was due within a few hours. He went to be, but he gave me the axe to "hold", and I can just send the money when I get the phonecall, since I had his details ready.
I then gave the axe to iAgent/iRurouni, and messaged the ice axe "seller" to say the axe was stolen, and I have a great deal of evidence as to believe it was him, if the seller wanted to discuss it further, then he would have to message iAgent/iRurouni. That was the last I heard of him. There was no immediate scammer label on my name. This thread was the first I heard of it, but this event happened 2 days ago.
Here's my list of evidence as to why I believe the axe is illegitimate --
-The character selling it had a name made of up nothing but numbers, and was a first job buffalo who sat in megalopolis all day spamming the chat, trying to sell the axe.
-When I tried to buy the axe, there came a 2nd person who happened to be the "owner" of the axe. Who puts that much responsibility in a friend when you're working with hundreds of dollars in a third party transaction?
-When iRurouni inquired about the information of the axe, he was ignored. When he tried to trade the "seller", they logged off.
-Every time the seller would log on, it was only after either koiti/O3 had logged off, they were never online at the same time, and the seller was never on for more than 10 minutes after I met them. O3/koiti logged on within a matter of less than a minute EVERY time the seller logged off.
-When my friend inquired about the axe, the seller realized my friend was onto him, so he logged off and logged onto koiti, at which point he deleted my friend from his friends list. Suspicious, no?
-The seller did not have so much of an attachment to the axe, which is unusual given it's stats and cost these days. It's as if it was given to him and he just wanted money instead.
Now, conclusion-- Depending on how you look at it, I did, or did not scam the axe. I did not scam the axe in the effect that I took it for myself no matter what the cost, since I returned the axe to it's original owner at an immense cost to me -- This.
However, you may believe I did scam the axe, since I left the "seller" with nothing. However, the seller had "nothing" to begin with. It was merely fencing.
So, guys. I'll leave this up to you, and I will respect each and every opinion thrown at me, but keep in mind, I don't regret what I did, and that will not change.
If you need any screenshots, please let me know, I will supply on demand.
Bro, from now on you're TO's Robin Hood. You scam the scammers to help the scammed. Good job by the way